Yeoford has second platform that only needs re-instating. GWR would probably quote £10m.

I've lost all faith in GWR in the southwest unless someone else is paying.

Paignton station since the fire which still hasn't fully opened platform 2 for nine car trains. Supposed to be next week. The ticket hall and booking office don't look to be open for weeks. The damage was smoke related. The frontage has been boarded up across the car park. The toilets on platform 2 in a shed further along have been open when staff are present. There is a new back door fire escape to the staff accommodation that has been installed since the fire. The repairers don't work weekends; no urgency.

On a Saturday the toilets close at 1630 and the staff all go by 1700; yet that station is still busy. All the tour trains and their has been one virtually every Saturday and some midweek all depart about 1730. Because they cannot stop in platform 2 to pick up (11 coaches and a diesel at each end) Paignton has lost a lot of business.

 

Use the ferry from Malpas to Falmouth its more reliable.

 
SEmi-skimmed UHT Dairy it is - but I can't remember the brand....

 
The sachets of 'Milk' (can't recall if it's actually dairy, but no matter, it's effective) - can anyone recall what it is and where it's available retail?

Mark

 
Distance - By actual service train.

[Can you reliability travel via Rhubarb Loop?]

 

Not so much track as a second platform? 

The only think we know about the "real" next GBR generation is that we don't know what it will bring ...

 
Catalogue of errors with awful consequences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n55g2dejo

 


Same again today......

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

.......one of the options on offer is "Consider postponing your journey until our service returns to normal" - extremely helpful - if anyone has a crystal ball handy!

 
Torbay Council have proposals to develop Paignton Station and car park, the short term car park opposite, and the bus station into flats. A new multi-story car park would be built out of site behind the library in Station Lane. The are plans for flats at Victoria Square within a stones throw of the station and is a temporary car park now.

I've also thought housing could be developed at Yeoford. Trains every half an hour, roads are terrible. It would need track infrastructure improvements which GWR wouldn't do unless someone else pays. Maybe the new GBR would?

 
After being quietly suspended for a while during a denial of service attack, I am re-enabling the espresso facility. I have also automate the default so that it becomes month-to-date without me having to go in and change it manually at the start of each month; I still have to remember on 1st January each year to update the year!

This is not a facility that gets huge use, nor would I expect it to be - but if you want to find out what we were talking about  in (say) March 2012, it will help. 

Espresso now has an https wrapper which will help ensure that members don't get lots of security warnings in their browser when they use it, and may also help our search engine and AI feed visibility. I will be keeping an eye open just in case it generates significant server loads.  And I will be adding back the facility to navigate around it better too.

 

I would agree. 

With (any) development there will be positive and negative factors and planning discussions result not in a "100% yes" or "100% no" agreed outcome.   The various elements of the NPPF we're talking about help swing some of the factors - give extra weight to some of the elements and perhaps substantial weight that makes a difference in some cases.

I see that the Conservative-elected, Reform-representing MP for Bedwyn and Pewsey is making the local press concerning the NPPF for those two stations and the Wiltshire Gazette article has a picture of an IET at a rural-looking Bedwyn station. But then as I read the maps, Bedwyn is just outside a top 80 area.  Those are potentially an interesting watch from the sidelines. 

Across the South West, most of our MPs represent parties who are not part of the government - Conservative, Liberal Democrat, Reform and Green - and they have the luxury of being able to represent their electorate without facing the hard national consequences where difficult choices which are in the country's intrerest but not in the interest of the views of their electorate, and you might expect pushback from a wide variety of places.  As I understand it, these "station rules" are only one element, and factors like building on flood plains (and railways tend to follow rivers) are still significant to put it mildly.

The "Top 80" rule does help exclude places like Lelant Saltings - there might a station there, it might be practical to stop 2 trains an hour each way, and there might be unused close to the station - but the question to be asked is "travel to WHAT work?"

 

Journey time shorter - via Swindon.   
Normally least changes on scheduled passenger trains - via Swindon (1 change)
Physical distance shorter - via Thingley Junction and the Rhubarb Loop

https://my.railmiles.me/mileage-engine/


or add these who

 

http://25kv.uk/fictitiousliveries.php

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/149467a0

 

They go a short way onto the Filton Chord so that they're in behind BL2052 signal to shunt back into Filton Abbey Wood.

 
I’m told that rains actually go some way along the Henbury line before reversing, rather than turning at Filton Abbeywood.

 
Page 53 in the 2004 report mentioned upthread  is the following:


The report continues with more on the training theme and how software will be used to aid signallers in recovering from disruption. As automatic route-setting is a feature of TVSC in normal use, the gist of the section on recovering from disruption is that the software can b e used to rapidly rearrange the routeing of trains to allow ARS to continue, allowing signallers to concentrate on whatever else is needed.

It's strange that signaller shortages have received much lower prominence than shortage of train crew, but the above seems to be an admission that NR lost sight of managing staffing levels and turnover. Too many reorganisations, perhaps?

 
Which route is shorter?

 
rubber stamping I reckon

 

They'd still need planning consent in consideration of other issues, would they not, as the following extract from NPPF says:



The NPPF is, I think, trying to say: "Developments outside settlement boundaries are usually a bad thing, but if there's a useful railway station nearby, we can say that the development is actually OK".
What I'm having trouble in deciding is whether or not the "Top 80 GVA" rule is actually doing anything useful.

 
**J. F. Pownall has entered the chat**

 
Houses without requiring planning consent

 

Thank you, but at the early point in events, he had no way of evaluating my knowledge. If we had had Information at the Station available on hand to answer questions - and to point people as appropriate to correct official information to help them.

 
In my personal view, it is e) five times unfortunate that an apparently inexperienced rail traveller on that particular route would prefer to initially follow Google rather than the free guidance offered by an extremely knowledgeable local human being.


(I know grahame is a human being because none of his typos are corrected by AI.  I tidy up some of them for him.) 

Chris from Nailsea. 

 
Yesterday, I caught the bus to Blenheim house, walked back over the bridge and double back down to Melksham station to catch the train.  Another gent was doing the same - went to the ticket machine and looked to be in "learning mode". I asked if I could help, and he told me he was looking to travel to Bristol Parkway.   Next trains coming at 12:33, and I advised he catch that he would need to change at Chippenham and Bristol Temple Meads. 

I was advised I was wrong - according to Google, it's a single change at Swindon and, hey, what would I kow as a randon traveller?  My "yes ... but ..." starter was brushed aside and he bought his ticket.  But then he looked at it after it came out of the machine ... "But this says 'only valid via Bath Spa'" he said.  "It didn't tell me that in the screen as I bought it ...".  Correct - it didn't.

Via Bath Spa ... 12:33, change at Chippenham (12:44 to 13:13), change at Temple Meads (13:39 to 14:00) and arrive 14:09 at Bristol Parkway. Valid.

Via Swindon ... 12:33, change at Swindon (13:01 to 13:10) and arrive Bristol Parkway 13:31. But not valid on the ticket issued by the ticket machine, and no indication prior to purchase.

My friend asked what he could to - I suggested that he ask the train manager to "excess" him, as he was on a timescale and could not really afford over half an hour more as he travelled; I told him there wasn't a Melksham to Bristol Parkway ticket valid via Swindon, even though it's usually very much the faster way, though a ticket to beyond Bristol Parkway into South Wales *would* be valid that way.   As he got on, at the train manager's door, he started making his request and I went up the carriage and sat down.

The train manager stated he was unable to sell him a ticket that would take my friend from Melksham to Parkway via Swindon - the best he could do was to sell him a ticket to Swindon, and a Swindon to Parkway ticket, and claim a refund. Oh dear ... as you can imagine, my friend was not pleased, and came and sat across from me and told me what the Train manager had said.

The ticket manager did a ticket check, and having been filled in, as he came back I asked him if my friend could have made the journey on via Swindon on the trains he wanted on a Melksham to Severn Tunnel Junction ticket and get off short.  The train managwer looked puzzled, but looked it up on his machine and confirmed that would have been valid, and indeed lower cost than the pair trains offered.   This was the 12:18 from Westbury, and "as we know" it's used a a route learner / refresher for lobg distance crews.   This TM was unknown to me, and was based in Exeter - "we have to know this route for the sleeper" - but (and he confirmed) they don't know the wrinlkes of the fares here, which they really should if they are selling tickets. Or they should have a system that informs them as appropriate.

Long (b)log but
a) It is unfortunate that there are no Melksham to Parkway fares via the quickest route
b) It is doubly unfortunate that apps like Google (and the Interrail planner) offer this route
c) It is tripply  unfortunate that the TVM sells a slower, and restricted ticket without warning
d) It is four times unfortunate that the customer facing staff, on top of the first three problems, only offer an overpiced solution

 

There are elements.  Llangollen Canal - water from the upper reaches of the Dee for Chester.

 
In terms of helping to drain it, possibly?   

 
From the BBC video archives, but still worth watching, if you haven't before:


It's a video clip, so you'll need to click here on the link to the BBC.

CfN.