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Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
 
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Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:27, 1st October 2025
 
Grahame's pictures (4&7) show the northern abutment for the P5 span, and how it is a concrete box with the foot/cycle path through it. The one for the main span has also been slid in under the bridge. The other smaller one, on the east side, may be in place or may not yet (I've not seen a picture). I found a diagram of all three "tunnel abutments" and their piled supports (can't say if north or south) in the presentation, but can't link to it in the PDF so it is attached. They are cast on site and were/will be moved into place; the main bridge ones are quite big.

I took a stroll through it yesterday and all three 'concrete boxes' are in place.

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Posted by grahame at 09:11, 30th September 2025
 
Hythe Bridge Street is one of my (many!) Oxford transport bugbears ....

Indeed - it leaves much to be desired.  Indications are that some of those desired will be me but others not during current works and plans.

Here's another ...



OK - it looks shiny and new, but what a racket when it took off, burning fossil fuel and putting the resultant fumes into the atmosphere.   Why on earth does a busy railway line like this, and only 60 miles from London, not have a single electric train service even on the very busiest of routes that serve it?

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Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 08:28, 30th September 2025
 
Hythe Bridge Street is one of my (many!) Oxford transport bugbears. I count over 60 pedestrians in grahame's photo, crammed onto that tiny narrow pavement. There are presumably some on the opposite pavement, too, from where the photo was taken. Meanwhile the five cars - possibly with 20 occupants, but probably closer to five - get the vast majority of the carriageway space to themselves. It's not as if there are any bus services that use this road either.

Closing Hythe Bridge Street to cars, which can equally use the wide Park End Street running parallel a few yards away, would make a massive difference to the experience of the rail passenger arriving in Oxford. Danny Yee set out how this could be done a couple of years ago: https://wanderingdanny.com/oxford/2023/08/an-east-west-foot-cycle-route-for-oxford/

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Posted by ChrisB at 13:41, 29th September 2025
 
One of the previous designs for the station upgrade had the concourse up above the platforms, with lifts/escalators down, but got abandoned as the money to pay for it all was coming from a hotel siting next to the station?

As I said earlier, one design of the west side resurrected the underpass, all done up of course.

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Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:41, 29th September 2025
 
Not that anything's permanent but it's been said from the start that Oxford for some reason has never been provided with a 'Permanent' station building/layout (LNWR excepted).

Also, there must be chapters written on the relationship between size/speed/capacity of lifts and their throughput. The ones at Oxford were generating queues, those at Bath seem to have become fragile, a two person limit applied and queueing for those isn't uncommon.

Oxford station's out-of-use subway for foot passengers, somewhat on the same level as the proposed west side exit... perhaps it's too constricted for the present day but it could relieve pressure on the footbridge.

The lift is way too small and not particularly speedy - though it's much faster than the original lifts that were installed.  But simply not suitable for the footfall today.

The new exit will be very useful, though as I said I fear any relief for the current route over the bridge will soon be swallowed up by additional passengers.

The old subway was dank, smelly, dark, narrow and horrible.  And now partially filled with equipment.  I think a new and wider, or a second, footbridge is the answer.

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Posted by Mark A at 12:29, 29th September 2025
 
Not that anything's permanent but it's been said from the start that Oxford for some reason has never been provided with a 'Permanent' station building/layout (LNWR excepted).

Also, there must be chapters written on the relationship between size/speed/capacity of lifts and their throughput. The ones at Oxford were generating queues, those at Bath seem to have become fragile, a two person limit applied and queueing for those isn't uncommon.

Oxford station's out-of-use subway for foot passengers, somewhat on the same level as the proposed west side exit... perhaps it's too constricted for the present day but it could relieve pressure on the footbridge.

Mark

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Posted by ChrisB at 12:25, 29th September 2025
 
All those that request it, from platform staff.

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Posted by grahame at 12:01, 29th September 2025
 
Hythe Bridge *Street*, not Road.

And the West side gate is still there/available, but only to those requiring accessible onward transport, which can pick up outside the gate still.

And - err - what percentage of passengers does that apply to?   It will make a big difference to those few people who are not only of limited mobility but so limited that they REQUIRE onward transport (and I guess it works both ways - for people being dropped off too?) but for the vast majority it's a no-go none-exit and none-entrance at present.   We did see queues in the building on platform 4 but concluded they were not to get out of the station, but for the loos.

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Posted by ray951 at 11:41, 29th September 2025
 
That isn't unusual for Hythe Bridge Street, both the road and the pavement are way to narrow especially between Upper Fisher Row and George St.

Since Covid the western entrance to the station has been closed, prior to Covid it was only open during the morning and afternoon peak. It is an especially useful entrance if you have a bike, pushchair,  lots of luggage, etc. as you then don't have to use the stairs or lift. The lift is quite small and very slow.

I believe if you have accessibility issues then you can request access, but I haven't seen that happen very often.

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Posted by ChrisB at 11:40, 29th September 2025
 
Hythe Bridge *Street*, not Road.

And the West side gate is still there/available, but only to those requiring accessible onward transport, which can pick up outside the gate still.

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Posted by grahame at 11:24, 29th September 2025
 
Saturday was ... a zoo ... at Oxford Station, but then it's reasonable to put up with a short (??) period of disruption while things are being rebuilt for the better.

The effect is felt not only in the stations but beyond.   Here is the flow - and it was a steady one - of people coming in to town along what I think is called "Hythe Bridge Road".   Not only off trains, but also off buses that can't get into town at present either.



Mark and I had looked for a west exit from the station ... but there isn't wan't one [visible] at present and we had to go over the footbridge, observing queues for the lifts ... and out through the Chiltern Gateline which was also crowded. It didn't take all that long in reality to get through that queue but my ticket - as so often is the case - was refused by the machine and I had to double across to the hooman on duty for him to check and swipe his own pass card.  He was not just waiting to help people either - he was constantly helping clear the queue / system that, frankly, should be set up to make his role being close to redundant even with a higher flow.

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Posted by ChrisB at 11:03, 29th September 2025
 
The intention is to man both main exits and the 'extra' plat 1/2 exit at rush hours.

The original plans for the west side included escalators & lifts to plat 4/5 and a subway across to plat 3, but I suspect that part has been discontinued owing to cost of construction, leaving those needing accessible travel to plat 3 from the west side using the overbridge as now.

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Posted by ray951 at 10:39, 29th September 2025
 
Here are some photos from yesterday; Oxford Station itself was having some trouble coping with all the traffic

Oxford station is stretched to the maximum on weekends these days, and that's with the 'new' gateline by platforms 1 and 2 and without the extra traffice that EWR and the proposed hourly Bristol service will bring. 

My main concern is that the footbridge and lifts won't be adequate when platform 5 opens and more trains arrive and depart from platforms 4 or 5.  I have a feeling most people will use that route rather than the new western entrance.

When the previous western entrance was open during peak times, it was frequently used by commuters as a quicker alternative to using the the bridge/lift, and exiting via the Platform 3 gate lines. Although the route via Botley Road bridge was narrow and not particularly pleasant, it still offered a faster route into Oxford, which made it a popular choice. Occasionally, tourists would use this entrance and then would appear confused and would often return to the main station area, likely due to unclear signage and the unwelcoming environment.

With the new entrance and significantly improved route along Botley Road, there’s a great opportunity to encourage widespread use. Clear and welcoming signage will be key to helping all users—commuters and visitors alike—navigate confidently and make the most of the enhanced access.

My only concern would be whether GWR will have enough staff to manage 3 exits, given that they occasionally don't have enough to manage 2.

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Posted by Mark A at 10:05, 29th September 2025
 
This has an artists impression of the Botley Road rail bridge from the west, which makes it look far less grim than certain other pictures that have been circulating. Also it shows the box for the north side pedestrian route, which is possibly the one that Graham's caught in one of his photos.

Mark

https://bsky.app/profile/oxfordclarion.bsky.social/post/3lzxm2nvufk2r

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Posted by stuving at 00:04, 29th September 2025
 
Today was a bit challenging as platform 3 was closed to allow piling work for the new Botley Road bridge.

Just want to check that you didn't mean plat 4? That side is where the new span will fit, rather than the up side.


AFAIK there are three new spans.  A new one for the track towards platform 5, a replacement one for the current four tracks, and a third (on the up side) to provide passive provision for a future expansion of platform 1, if the main station building is replaced.

Also of course the old footpath underpass beneath the bridge is to be replaced by two pedestrial/cycle underpasses either side of the road and they will require retaining walls.

There is a lot of this sort of detail in the Oxfordshire Connect presentation, and the paragraph I quoted does mention the three spans. It also says that the piling on the down side was done by 22nd September, and the up side piling should be over by 6th October. Those is all described as temporary piles. After that there will be some piles "installed across the track" - I'm not sure how, though maybe they will take up a short piece of track to get access - the line south is closed on these two days (16 & 23 November).

Grahame's pictures (4&7) show the northern abutment for the P5 span, and how it is a concrete box with the foot/cycle path through it. The one for the main span has also been slid in under the bridge. The other smaller one, on the east side, may be in place or may not yet (I've not seen a picture). I found a diagram of all three "tunnel abutments" and their piled supports (can't say if north or south) in the presentation, but can't link to it in the PDF so it is attached. They are cast on site and were/will be moved into place; the main bridge ones are quite big.

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by IndustryInsider at 23:11, 28th September 2025
 
Today was a bit challenging as platform 3 was closed to allow piling work for the new Botley Road bridge.

Just want to check that you didn't mean plat 4? That side is where the new span will fit, rather than the up side.


AFAIK there are three new spans.  A new one for the track towards platform 5, a replacement one for the current four tracks, and a third (on the up side) to provide passive provision for a future expansion of platform 1, if the main station building is replaced.

Also of course the old footpath underpass beneath the bridge is to be replaced by two pedestrial/cycle underpasses either side of the road and they will require retaining walls.

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Posted by ChrisB at 20:20, 28th September 2025
 
That pedestrian route shown during that Jan/Feb closure will be across the tracks. With no trains running in the station, it'll be a safe route

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Posted by stuving at 18:50, 28th September 2025
 
It also appears there is an 8 day line closure starting 31st January 2026 to replace Botley bridge deck.

Not included in the quote - can you indicate where you have seen this info?

There is also this from a presentation to the neighbours:
From 31st Jan to 9th Feb the railway lines crossing the existing Botley Road bridge will be closed. This allows the existing bridge to be removed and replaced with the three new spans. There will be c. 5 days, when access via Botley Road will be unavailable. An alternative route is proposed via the station for pedestrians and walked cycles. Consideration is being given to what provision will be given mopeds. A sub-working, working with key user groups is considering what mitigations are needed to support implementation, especially for people of reduced mobility.

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:38, 28th September 2025

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Posted by grahame at 18:36, 28th September 2025
 
It also appears there is an 8 day line closure starting 31st January 2026 to replace Botley bridge deck.

Not included in the quote - can you indicate where you have seen this info?

They don't say what it's for ... but GWR tell us of Didcot to Oxford closure that week
https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering

Didcot Parkway to Oxford – Sun 1 to Sun 8 February

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Posted by ChrisB at 18:30, 28th September 2025
 
It also appears there is an 8 day line closure starting 31st January 2026 to replace Botley bridge deck.

Not included in the quote - can you indicate where you have seen this info?

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Posted by ChrisB at 18:28, 28th September 2025
 
Network Rail has just issued (26 Sept) a tender for Oxford station phase 2d.  Value £0-40m subject to funding covering
Delivery 26 Oct 2026 to 31 Dec 2028

Network Rail wishes to procure the design & implementation of the following works at Oxford Railway Station.  -
-Platform 4 & 5 Works 
-Sheepwash Bridge Works 
-Western Entrance Building Works 
-Additional design & build scope may also be included.

Here is the tender notice.

I'm somewhat surprised that NR feel this project is suitable for -

Particular suitability
....
Voluntary, community and social enterprises (VCSE)

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Posted by ChrisB at 18:22, 28th September 2025
 
Today was a bit challenging as platform 3 was closed to allow piling work for the new Botley Road bridge.

Just want to check that you didn't mean plat 4? That side is where the new span will fit, rather than the up side.

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Posted by stuving at 18:04, 28th September 2025
 
Network Rail has just issued (26 Sept) a tender for Oxford station phase 2d.  Value £0-40m subject to funding covering
Delivery 26 Oct 2026 to 31 Dec 2028

Network Rail wishes to procure the design & implementation of the following works at Oxford Railway Station.  -
-Platform 4 & 5 Works 
-Sheepwash Bridge Works 
-Western Entrance Building Works 
-Additional design & build scope may also be included.

Here is the tender notice. The description part includes a few warnings:
This procurement will be reviewed after PQQ stage for either onward continuation or termination.

These works are also subject to funding approval and participants must be aware of this aspect.

Proposed form of contract will be NEC4 NR24 terms and conditions with target cost method.

So while the list of works is the same as the original phase 2D from 2021 (2C was the road bridge), we still don't know if any of it is really under threat of cancellation (or deferral sine die).

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Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:25, 28th September 2025
 
Here are some photos from yesterday; Oxford Station itself was having some trouble coping with all the traffic

Oxford station is stretched to the maximum on weekends these days, and that's with the 'new' gateline by platforms 1 and 2 and without the extra traffice that EWR and the proposed hourly Bristol service will bring. 

My main concern is that the footbridge and lifts won't be adequate when platform 5 opens and more trains arrive and depart from platforms 4 or 5.  I have a feeling most people will use that route rather than the new western entrance.

Today was a bit challenging as platform 3 was closed to allow piling work for the new Botley Road bridge.


Where were you standing to get that last photo?

I'm rather hoping he was standing (or sat) on a train. 

Edit - to clarify quoting - Grahame

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:24, 28th September 2025
 
Here are some photos from yesterday; Oxford Station itself was having some trouble coping with all the traffic

Oxford station is stretched to the maximum on weekends these days, and that's with the 'new' gateline by platforms 1 and 2 and without the extra traffice that EWR and the proposed hourly Bristol service will bring. 

My main concern is that the footbridge and lifts won't be adequate when platform 5 opens and more trains arrive and depart from platforms 4 or 5.  I have a feeling most people will use that route rather than the new western entrance.

Where were you standing to get that last photo?

I'm rather hoping he was standing (or sat) on a train. 

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 17:20, 28th September 2025
 
Where were you standing to get that last photo?

I wasn't

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Posted by ChrisB at 16:26, 28th September 2025
 
Where were you standing to get that last photo?

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Posted by grahame at 16:20, 28th September 2025
 
That is a very old photo - the footway access runs from the left hand side now

I merely quote the BBC, ChrisB - and, as we know, they are 'up to the minute' in terms of news. 



Here are some photos from yesterday; Oxford Station itself was having some trouble coping with all the traffic














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Posted by John D at 15:17, 28th September 2025
 
if the 5th platform/ western station entrance isn't delivered then hasn't replacing the Botley Road bridge been a complete waste of money, certainly for rail and , given all the disruption, for Oxford itself?

Is there any point putting any more money into the railway industry, certainly in Oxfordshire, given the following:

A service pattern at Oxford that is worse than before Covid (XC , GWR and Chiltern) despite an increase in population.
Delays to running passenger trains on EWR despite the railway being open for nearly a year (alleged Union issues).
An incomplete extension to Oxford station.
An electrification scheme that is half complete.

How can the industry be stopped from continually over promising and under delivering?
As an outsider seems like the industry needs a complete shakeup.

Network Rail has just issued (26 Sept) a tender for Oxford station phase 2d.  Value £0-40m subject to funding covering
Delivery 26 Oct 2026 to 31 Dec 2028

Network Rail wishes to procure the design & implementation of the following works at Oxford Railway Station.  -
-Platform 4 & 5 Works 
-Sheepwash Bridge Works 
-Western Entrance Building Works 
-Additional design & build scope may also be included.

It also appears there is an 8 day line closure starting 31st January 2026 to replace Botley bridge deck.


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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:46, 26th September 2025
 
I merely quote the BBC, ChrisB - and, as we know, they are 'up to the minute' in terms of news. 


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Posted by ChrisB at 20:43, 26th September 2025
 
That is a very old photo - the footway access runs from the left hand side now

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:40, 26th September 2025
 
From the BBC:

'Intolerable' construction noise caused by overnight rail works at Botley Road, Oxford



People living near a railway station say they are being kept awake by noisy overnight works.

Botley Road in Oxford has been closed since April 2023 as part of a £161m scheme to upgrade Oxford railway station and is expected to reopen in August 2026.

Network Rail said the recent noise was partly caused by the removal of an obstruction so it could build the foundations for a new bridge and keep the project on track.

Councillor Lois Muddiman said local residents were finding the noise pollution "intolerable".

Botley Road was closed as part of Network Rail's project to expand the station and improve connectivity.

When the rail operator first outlined its plans it was expected to be shut over two six-month periods, with a six-month break in-between. But in September 2023 it announced there would be no break because works ran behind schedule. Then, last July, it said it would not reopen in October as planned.

Resident Catherine Byrne told the BBC: "I've sat on Sunday with a cup of tea in front of me and watched the liquid shaking. It's truly awful and it's worrying. We have no idea what this kind of work is doing to our houses. I am definitely, as soon as this work is finished, going to get a structural engineer round to have a look at my house."  She said she felt "absolutely furious and completely helpless".

"We complain, we argue, we get furious, we fire off emails, we complain at meetings, and nothing ever changes," she added.

The Green Party's Muddiman, representing Osney & St Thomas, said: "Anyone around the Mill Street area or the Abbey and Cripley Road area who are right up against it, the noise is just intolerable. So I've had many, many messages yesterday from residents who are just struggling to deal with it and not able to go out into their gardens because it's so loud."

Network Rail apologised for the disruption but said the work had to take place when trains were not running. It described the obstruction as a large 4m-deep (13.1ft) brick structure which was not mentioned in its records and ground surveys.

It had to be removed "as quickly as possible" so scheduled work to install new foundations into the ground could continue, it said. More of this so-called "piling work" is scheduled over the next two weekends, from 23:05 on Saturdays until 04:40 on Mondays.

Oxford City Council confirmed it had received a number of complaints from residents and that it had "requested further information on the level of noise and vibration monitored" from the work. It described it as "complex engineering" which could "only be carried out during shut-down periods agreed by Network Rail - not the council - due to the impact on national rail infrastructure".


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Posted by ChrisB at 20:31, 9th September 2025
 
The earliest that EWR was going to be ready was late this month - and its still slated for the December timetable, allowing further time for driver training & Winslow station fit out. It can still work on 2tph to MKeynes without the extra platform, using platforms 1 & 2

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Posted by ray951 at 19:49, 9th September 2025
 
if the 5th platform/ western station entrance isn't delivered then hasn't replacing the Botley Road bridge been a complete waste of money, certainly for rail and , given all the disruption, for Oxford itself?

Is there any point putting any more money into the railway industry, certainly in Oxfordshire, given the following:

A service pattern at Oxford that is worse than before Covid (XC , GWR and Chiltern) despite an increase in population.
Delays to running passenger trains on EWR despite the railway being open for nearly a year (alleged Union issues).
An incomplete extension to Oxford station.
An electrification scheme that is half complete.

How can the industry be stopped from continually over promising and under delivering?
As an outsider seems like the industry needs a complete shakeup.

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Posted by ChrisB at 14:32, 9th September 2025
 
So, other than Botley Road, everything else planned is now under a further cost review process & redesign to fit costs

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Posted by stuving at 14:22, 9th September 2025
 
What with all the epic difficulties Network Rail have encountered in growing their bridge, the rest of the station development has been "paused". (I think that's even more serious than "float erosion", which the walkway work was suffering from.)

At NR's presentation to councillors in July, there was just a short section at the end about the rest of the program "after the bridge is done".
Indicative Rail Scope

Future works to enable East West Rail. These are expected to include the provision
of new Platform 4/5 and a Western Entrance required to support increased train
services and passenger numbers.

Construction of remaining rail scope paused to allow full focus on re-opening
Botley Road as early as possible.

Works progressing well to re-phase future rail works. Key areas of focus:
• Validation of value for money following historic cost increase (associated
with Botley Road), whilst maintaining core functionality.
• Validation of programme and price ahead of securing funding.
• Increasing delivery certainty – undertaking additional surveys and
progressing key areas of design.

Indicative Schedule - Subject to funding release (originally a graphic)
2025   • Increase delivery confidence.
           • Validate scope, price and programme.
           • Secure funding.
 2026   • Construct Platform 4/5, Western Entrance and associated highways works.
 2027   • Complete Western Entrance design.
           • Onboard contractor.

And last Friday, NR posted a tender for "Oxford - Architect Services". This is looking for:
Scope
Reference
project_43822

Description

Network Rail is seeking to appoint a suitably qualified and experienced architectural practice to lead the design and planning application for the redevelopment of Oxford Station and its surrounding area. This commission forms a critical part of the Oxford Station Masterplan, which aims to deliver a new vision for the station environment, supporting Oxford's growth as a national rail hub and global innovation centre.

Scope of Services:

• Masterplanning: Develop and evolve previous scheme proposals to create a new, mixed-use masterplan that maximises value, integrates operational railway requirements, and aligns with Oxford City's development and regeneration aspirations.

• Design Leadership: Act as lead architect for the masterplan, coordinating with specialist consultants and stakeholders to deliver a comprehensive design solution, including station entrances, public realm, multi-storey car park, cycle hub, offices, life sciences, hotel, and residential elements.

• Planning Application: Prepare and submit a detailed planning application for Phase 1, including all necessary supporting documents, reports, and stakeholder engagement as required by the local planning authority.

• Stakeholder Engagement: Collaborate with Oxford City Council, Oxfordshire County Council, Network Rail, train operating companies, and other key stakeholders throughout the design and planning process.

• Sustainability: Embed best practice in environmental, social, and governance (ESG) objectives, targeting high levels of certification (e.g., BREEAM, WELL, NABERS, BNG, embodied carbon).

Key Deliverables:

• A new illustrative masterplan for the Oxford Station area, including phasing and delivery strategy.

• RIBA Stage 2+ design report for the first phase of development.

• Full planning application for Phase 1, including all required technical and supporting documentation.

• Coordination and integration of specialist inputs (e.g., transport, sustainability, heritage, engineering).

• Ongoing design and technical support through the planning determination period.

The contract will be let under the NR26 NEC4 Professional Service Short Contract (PSSC).

The scope of this procurement covers the development of the Oxford Station Masterplan and the delivery of a detailed planning application for Phase 1. Phase 2 services are entirely optional and may not be instructed. Any extension to include Phase 2 will be subject to separate approval and explicit instruction by Network Rail. The estimated total value stated in this notice is inclusive of both Phase 1 and the optional Phase 2. The initial contract will be awarded for Phase 1 only, with any extension to include Phase 2 subject to formal instruction by Network Rail.

Full details of the scope, deliverables, and requirements are provided in the procurement documents within the tender Pack.

So, as that tender pack is only for registered bidders, we don't know what and how much station is still part of the programme.

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:36, 31st August 2025
 
From the BBC:

New walkway 'key milestone' for Botley Road timeline



A new walkway has opened in Oxford as part of a £231m project to upgrade the city station.

Network Rail said the four-metre wide walkway, which links Botley Road to Frideswide Square, would offer improvements with existing access and more space for pedestrians and cyclists.

The operator said it was "another key milestone" in reopening the road by the end of August 2026, after it was closed at the railway bridge since April 2023.

The scheme has been through several delays, leaving communities frustrated and leading to long-standing businesses experiencing a drop in sales. Some, such as Courtney Pianos, closed down.

Network Rail said cyclists would be asked to dismount while using the shared surface until next year for safety reasons.



The work at Botley Road was "vital to creating a bigger, better station" and "an improved and safer road layout", Network Rail said.

Western route managing director Marcus Jones said "we're on track to the new timeline we committed to earlier this year".  Mr Jones said they were "pleased to have achieved this milestone" and thanked the local community and residents for their patience.

Anna Railton, deputy leader of Oxford City Council and cabinet member for a Zero Carbon Oxford, said the new path would "help to ease the flow of people in and around the area".

In June, rail minister Lord Hendy said some of the small businesses affected by the works would be eligible to receive one-off payments from an £850,000 government fund to "recognise the trouble the delays have caused".

Residents also said they were negatively affected by roads resurfacing works to transform Abbey Road, Cripley Road and Cripley Place into bus turning circles.

The next update session in Oxford will take place on 24 September at The King's Centre on Osney Mead.


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Posted by ray951 at 19:11, 30th August 2025
 
It needs to  - Hendy promised that it would be, without fail, open by the end of this month....

I went and had a look at the work on the new walkway this week and I will be really surprised if it is ready by the end of the month.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong but they still haven't put in place all the pre-cast concrete sections that make up the walkway and then they would need to clear up the site and move all the barriers, signs etc. before it could be used.


It’s been a bit of an undignified scramble, but from a good nose around this afternoon, it looks as if final preparations are underway for it to just meet the deadline.


That will be good news and happy to be proved wrong. 


Edit note: quote marks fixed. CfN.

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Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:55, 30th August 2025
 
It needs to  - Hendy promised that it would be, without fail, open by the end of this month....

I went and had a look at the work on the new walkway this week and I will be really surprised if it is ready by the end of the month.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong but they still haven't put in place all the pre-cast concrete sections that make up the walkway and then they would need to clear up the site and move all the barriers, signs etc. before it could be used.

It’s been a bit of an undignified scramble, but from a good nose around this afternoon, it looks as if final preparations are underway for it to just meet the deadline.

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:34, 20th August 2025
 
It needs to  - Hendy promised that it would be, without fail, open by the end of this month....

I went and had a look at the work on the new walkway this week and I will be really surprised if it is ready by the end of the month.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong but they still haven't put in place all the pre-cast concrete sections that make up the walkway and then they would need to clear up the site and move all the barriers, signs etc. before it could be used.

You are apparently welcome to contact The Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill CBE with your concerns: see https://members.parliament.uk/member/4972/contact

CfN. 

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Posted by ray951 at 19:50, 20th August 2025
 
It needs to  - Hendy promised that it would be, without fail, open by the end of this month....

I went and had a look at the work on the new walkway this week and I will be really surprised if it is ready by the end of the month.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong but they still haven't put in place all the pre-cast concrete sections that make up the walkway and then they would need to clear up the site and move all the barriers, signs etc. before it could be used.

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Posted by TonyK at 12:52, 9th August 2025
 
I note the artist's optimism in showing OHL on the railway in the background......

Job for another day. Probably for another road closure too.

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Posted by ChrisB at 14:23, 7th August 2025
 
 It needs to  - Hendy promised that it would be, without fail, open by the end of this month....

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Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:12, 7th August 2025
 
Visible progress has picked up in the past month or two and a better walkway should be opening soon.

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Posted by eightonedee at 14:02, 7th August 2025
 
I note the artist's optimism in showing OHL on the railway in the background......

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:43, 7th August 2025
 
From the BBC:

Workman on hammock mural mocks roadwork delays



A mural depicting a workman lounging on a hammock has been painted to convey the frustration felt by many over delays to major roadworks.

Road to Nowhere was inspired by the £231m Botley Road project to upgrade Oxford Station, which resulted in the route first closing in April 2023.

Artist Mani Manson-Reeves, known as The Big Orange M, said the idea for the piece came to him while he way stuck in a traffic jam on the train.

Network Rail said it understood why people felt frustrated and that the "vital" work was due to be completed by August 2026.

The artwork outside West Oxford Community Centre features a sign reading "work starts 11/04/2023 for 1,208 days and counting".

Reacting to the piece, resident Gillian told the BBC: "It's quite crude but it's quite clever, and I think it depicts the situation very well."

Lara added: "It shows the frustration of the people who live here - it's not very nice living here at the moment. The guys who are working down there wearing hi-vis suits are not lying down, they're working really hard - I think it should show someone from management lying down and not doing anything."

Business owners previously told the BBC they were "enraged" after learning they did not qualify for a goodwill payment for the long-term closure of Botley Road.

A Network Rail spokesperson said: "We regularly communicate with those affected by our work and welcome suggestions on how we can lessen the impact at the community sessions. Our work is vital to creating a bigger, better station for everyone, providing more services with East West Rail, adding rail capacity for the future and an improved and safer road layout."


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Posted by ChrisB at 20:14, 13th June 2025
 
The full press release can be found here, on Gov.uk

Oxford businesses to receive goodwill payments for Botley Road disruption

Network Rail will write to the affected local businesses that qualify to receive a share of up to £850,000 this week.

- government confirms up to £850,000 in payments to Oxfordshire businesses impacted by Network Rail disruption
- some small, local businesses most impacted by delayed works may be eligible to receive one-off, goodwill payments to acknowledge disruption caused
- Rail Minister, Lord Hendy, visits site to see progress on the Botley Road works – on track to be fully completed next summer

Some small businesses in Oxford most affected by works at Botley Road station may be eligible to receive goodwill payments, following the government today (13 June 2025) confirming up to £850,000 of Network Rail funding to acknowledge the local disruption.   The funding was confirmed today as the Rail Minister, Lord Hendy, visited the site to see Network Rail’s progress on the major improvements to the city’s railway station and Botley Road as part of the Oxford Station Enhancements Project. 

The one-off goodwill payments are being offered in recognition of the disruption resulting from delays to the scheme, which businesses can apply to Network Rail for.

Network Rail will write to the affected businesses this week who qualify for this financial support and a process is being developed to take discussions further.

However, following a reset of the project in January, progress has been made and Network Rail are on track to deliver the new cycle and walkway in August 2025 and will fully reopen Botley Road in August 2026.

Rail Minister, Lord Hendy, said:

I’m pleased that Network Rail can now offer payments to those eligible small, local businesses affected and while it can’t undo all the hardship businesses have faced, it recognises the trouble the delays have caused.

I’m glad the project is now on track. I will continue to hold Network Rail to account and engage with the local community. 

I look forward to the scheme being completed, so Oxford can benefit from more frequent and accessible transport links to boost growth in this bustling city.

Following delays owing to the discovery of a large Victorian arch under Botley Road and difficulties moving water pipes, Network Rail launched a new plan to keep the project moving forward early this year. 

Since the reset, the project has hit key milestones, including the early completion of a new clean water pipe by Thames Water. The next big step is to divert the sewer system, which is on track to finish later this year.

Marcus Jones, Network Rail’s Western Route Director, said:

We know the delays to this project have been frustrating, and we’re sorry for the disruption they’ve caused. The good news is that the project is now firmly back on track, and we’re making strong progress. We’re committed to keeping the community informed as we deliver a safer, more accessible Oxford station for everyone.

Network Rail has been keeping the community informed through monthly public events and business workshops, offering updates and support. New banners, posters and digital screens have also been put up around the station and Botley Road to keep everyone updated and remind people that local businesses are open as usual. The free Botley Flyer bus service now runs 7 days a week, helping people get to the city centre and extra security measures have been put in place to keep pedestrians safe.

Additional support includes new disabled drop-off bays, an audio guide map for easier navigation and improved lighting and CCTV around the station.

Network Rail will set out the process for applying in the coming weeks.[/quoe]

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:09, 13th June 2025
 
From Rail Advent:

£850,000 to be given out to Oxford businesses due to Botley Road disruption



Businesses in Oxford may be able to receive goodwill payments in recognition of the disruption caused by the Botley Road scheme.

Rail Minister, Lord Hendy, visited the site today to confirm the funding and to see progress on the improvements taking place.

Network Rail will write to affected businesses this week with more details.

A new cycle and walkway will open in August 2025 following progress being made and Botley Road will fully open in August 2026.

Rail Minister, Lord Hendy, said: “I’m pleased that Network Rail can now offer payments to those eligible small, local businesses affected, and while it can’t undo all the hardship businesses have faced, it recognises the trouble the delays have caused."



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Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:17, 17th April 2025
 
From the BBC:

Business owner 'willing to go to jail' over rates

An Oxford business owner said he could be willing to go to jail after he and other traders boycotted paying their business rates because of ongoing disruption on a key route.

Botley Road has been closed since April 2023 as part of Network Rail's ongoing £161m project to upgrade Oxford Station and is expected to reopen in August 2026.

Five businesses affected by the closure stopped paying their business rates and say they will not pay them until they get further financial support.

[SNIP]

A VOA spokesperson said: "We cannot comment on individual cases. If there has been a change to a property or its surrounding area, a business can report this to us, and we will assess if the rateable value should be reduced. We encourage any business who thinks that their rateable value is too high to let us know using our online service."




I wish the very best of luck to anyone trying to get sense out of the VOA.  Personal experience attests to their inability to listen, understand or act.  My own business has been overpaying massive business rates since the last revaluation.  That they all seem to be shirking from home does not help.  Phones not answered, emails not responded to, no individual handling the case and taking responsibility.  Buck passing writ large

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:29, 17th April 2025
 
From the BBC:

Business owner 'willing to go to jail' over rates

An Oxford business owner said he could be willing to go to jail after he and other traders boycotted paying their business rates because of ongoing disruption on a key route.

Botley Road has been closed since April 2023 as part of Network Rail's ongoing £161m project to upgrade Oxford Station and is expected to reopen in August 2026.

Five businesses affected by the closure stopped paying their business rates and say they will not pay them until they get further financial support.

Tom Rainey, who runs The Porter House restaurant and hotel and The Punter pub, said it was "shocking" that businesses were being charged the full amount in business rates. He said it would "not take much brains" to create some form of exemption.

Business rates are collected by Oxford City Council on behalf of the government, which set the rates and keep most of the income. Decisions over changes to business rate charges are made by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA).

The council says it has supported businesses in applying for hardship funding.

However, Mr Rainey said he had applied to city council's hardship fund and received no response from the authority since November. He then found he would have to go to the VOA first to apply for relief, but his application was refused. Despite making two appeals to VOA's decision, he has still not heard anything.

"We are just passed around in this vicious circle because no-one actually cares," Mr Rainey said. "I find it more stomach-wrenching that we are actually paying business rates than the money we are losing. Oxford City Council is giving us absolutely nothing, and the VOA is just a waiting game. They are hiding behind bureaucracy. Not one person has offered us anything, and therefore we believe the only option is to make a stand."

The city council has not acted yet but Mr Rainey said he expected them to produce paperwork within the next few weeks. "Knowing the city council, they will have us in the magistrates' court by May." he added. While he admitted it was "a bit extreme", he said: "If I end up with a jail term, then I would accept that".

The group of traders, who are part of the Botley Road Independent Traders Association (BRITA), include The Porter House, The Punter, First Stop Spannerworks, The Westgate Hotel and Pack & Send.

Zack Iqbal, owner of First Stop Spannerworks, said he would take part in the boycott to "highlight the strain that Botley Road businesses are under".

An Oxford City Council spokesperson said: "The council understands the seriously negative impact that the long-term disruption of Botley Road is having on local businesses and is committed to doing what it can to help, within the limits of its powers. The council is responsible for collecting business rates on behalf of the government, which then retains the majority of the income. The rate is also set by central government. Decisions on changes to business rate charges are made by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) through an independent process, with each case assessed on its own merits."

A VOA spokesperson said: "We cannot comment on individual cases. If there has been a change to a property or its surrounding area, a business can report this to us, and we will assess if the rateable value should be reduced. We encourage any business who thinks that their rateable value is too high to let us know using our online service."



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Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:43, 20th February 2025
 
This doesn't seem to have been posted before but a website has been setup by Oxford residents 'annoyed' by the ongoing closure of Botley Road.
https://networkhell.co.uk/

Probably doesn't tell you anything new if you have been following this story closely, but useful to see opinions about this saga from outside the rail industry.

Grim

No doubt "lessons will be learned" etc blah blah

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Posted by ray951 at 11:07, 20th February 2025
 
This doesn't seem to have been posted before but a website has been setup by Oxford residents 'annoyed' by the ongoing closure of Botley Road.
https://networkhell.co.uk/

Probably doesn't tell you anything new if you have been following this story closely, but useful to see opinions about this saga from outside the rail industry.

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Posted by TonyK at 16:13, 29th January 2025
 
That, or it's R2D2's younger brother.

Sorry.  CfN. 



R3D3?

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:38, 25th January 2025
 
That, or it's R2D2's younger brother.

Sorry.  CfN. 


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Posted by stuving at 00:26, 25th January 2025
 
They have been doing the sort of things that usually take up the first half of any station building programme, like moving stuff that would be in the way of a new track or platform. And someone - or something - is keeping an eye on proceedings for you. It's a Leica Nova TM60 monitoring total station, living in a cage on Platform 3. Every few seconds it robotically spins round to look at (I presume) some survey reflectors stuck up on the far side of the station. I guess these are on bits they are afraid might slip down a hole someone has dug in what is (with hindsight) the wrong place.

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Posted by ChrisB at 21:32, 24th January 2025
 
If you went up on to platform 4 & looked over the fence, you can see the progress on the country end of new platform 5.

I agree very little has yet been done about the west entrance & platform 5 south end. they didn't start on the country end two years ago though - maybe 9 months? When the enabling work on Roger Dodman Way was done?

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Posted by ray951 at 21:28, 24th January 2025
 
My personal view is that, unless they suspend work on the platform until nearer the time that the bridge goes in, it will not take another 18 months for the platform to be completed (except for the track connection that goes with it). So it ought to be available as a bay platform to the north (EWR?) well before the bridge is complete

What surprises me about this whole project, and you can tell I am not impressed, is that it has already been running for nearly 2 years and yet there is still no obvious sign of either Platform 5 or the new west entrance.

Whenever I go past the site there are always loads of people standing around looking bored directing the public through the site, but many fewer working on the  construction of the road/bridge/station. It would be interesting to see the makeup of the costs for this project.

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Posted by ChrisB at 21:20, 24th January 2025
 
Hinksey yard will be occupied by the bridge works prior to installation, is what I was understanding, thus preventing the BMW shunting taking place.

But I am wrong in one respect - it appears that the 9 day closure is in "early 2026", not in the summer, so presumably finding accommodation with BMW anyway. The road will take till the summer to complete & flood proof after the bridge goes in - so looking good for EWR in May 2026 onwards

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Posted by ray951 at 21:14, 24th January 2025
 
BMW Mini holidays being the problem, along with Network Rail having already notified all 2025 engineering works to TOCs & presumably the Government doesn't want to compensate for adding in another week's closure in August this year.
BMW only has one fortnight's holiday closure each year.

I don't understand why the  BMW trains would be an issue as they reverse at Hinksey and don't go anywhere near Oxford station and there are only a couple of trains a day.

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Posted by ChrisB at 18:15, 24th January 2025
 
My personal view is that, unless they suspend work on the platform until nearer the time that the bridge goes in, it will not take another 18 months for the platform to be completed (except for the track connection that goes with it). So it ought to be available as a bay platform to the north (EWR?) well before the bridge is complete

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Posted by TonyN at 17:07, 24th January 2025
 
Note that the press release says.

The new programme will see Botley Road reopen in August 2026

So that is just Botley road. Platform 5 is likley to take some while longer.

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Posted by ChrisB at 14:31, 24th January 2025
 
BMW Mini holidays being the problem, along with Network Rail having already notified all 2025 engineering works to TOCs & presumably the Government doesn't want to compensate for adding in another week's closure in August this year.
BMW only has one fortnight's holiday closure each year.

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Posted by ray951 at 13:26, 24th January 2025
 
Network Rail has announced August 2026 as the new completion date.

NR press release: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-updated-timeline-for-reopening-of-botley-road-in-oxford

Oxford Clarion report: https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekly-24-january-2025/

Oxford Mail report: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24881993.new-date-botley-road-closure-announced-network-rail/

That is shocking, another 19 months to replace a bridge and add a new platform, it shouldn't have taken that long in the first place never mind the time that it has already taken

Presumably whoever was project managing this project is now looking for new employment.

Given the over runs on this project you have to wonder why anybody would bother investing in the railways in the future, the industry does it self no favours.

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Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 12:00, 24th January 2025
 
Network Rail has announced August 2026 as the new completion date.

NR press release: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-updated-timeline-for-reopening-of-botley-road-in-oxford

Oxford Clarion report: https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekly-24-january-2025/

Oxford Mail report: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24881993.new-date-botley-road-closure-announced-network-rail/

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Posted by ellendune at 21:42, 7th January 2025
 
“So there’s lessons learned everywhere – the main one being from Network Rail’s point of view that they probably shouldn’t have taken on the project themselves.

"It should have been escalated and perhaps managed by the Department [of Transport] directly."

I do not believe in starting until all the investigation is done, but with DfT's expertise in managing major engineering projects (so far as I am aware they have none) that would have been an absolute disaster. 

I said at the beginning that they should have constructed a service tunnel under the old level crossing and diverted all the services through that before they started. 

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Posted by ChrisB at 20:51, 7th January 2025
 
From the Oxford Mail

Minister and rail boss to visit Oxford road shut since 2023

The Rail Minister and boss of Network Rail will face angry traders when they visit Oxford's Botley Road later this month.

It is now over 600 days since the main route into Oxford was closed in April 2023 for a £161m scheme to upgrade Oxford rail station.

Last year a completion date was given of October but that has since been postponed indefinitely due to complex pipework. Work was previously waylaid by the discovery of a historic arch.

Oxford MP Layla Moran has confirmed that Lord Hendy and Network Rail CEO Andrew Haines will come to Oxford on January 25.

Businesses have already said they are planning a protest to coincide with the visit.

Ms Moran, MP for Oxford West, who had a meeting with the pair in December, said they told her the latest hold up was caused by Thames Water.

"I mean, we really do have a Mexican stand-off of incompetence here," she said.

“What’s happened was Thames Water took 18 months to get back to them to do these exploratory works for the piping. It wasn’t just the rail arch that was the problem.

"They also found that the re-routing of the water and sewage and all that was going to be more complex – fine. But it then took Thames Water a long, long time to come back and start to do that work.

“They have been doing that work over the Christmas break. They are now analysing it, and I was told that on the 25th by then, if not before, we should have a final, definitive completion date."

But she told BBC Radio Oxford: "I mean you know, those sighing at the radio saying, we’ve heard that before, I completely agree with them. We’ve just got to keep the pressure up.”

She said she wanted them to meet businesses and residents to "hear from the people who have been so badly affected by this, what it has done to them, their day to day lives, their livelihoods."

She said she did have some sympathy as it is a very complex project, involving several different firms, and she welcomed improvements on the railway especially as the scheme is a key part of East West Rail.

"We want East West Rail – we want it electrified, that’s a separate campaign – but that’s good for the country, it’s good for Oxford, it’s good for our local economy and it’s good for the station.

“No one, even those worse affected, no one is saying we shouldn’t have done this," she said.

But she added: "I think there is now an acknowledgement that it has been mismanaged.

"And in fact in the meeting we had together Network Rail basically admitted they’d not really done a project like this before.

“They’d cut a few corners at the beginning and not done the exploratory works, hoping that would save time.

"Well, anyone who’s done any massive construction project knows well, you do your exploratory work before you begin so you then come up with a plan that’s actually going to be able to be executed.

“They didn’t do that and they didn’t appreciate the complexity right from the off.

"But that was because they chose not to do those works that would have told them that in order, perhaps, to save money and time.

“So there’s lessons learned everywhere – the main one being from Network Rail’s point of view that they probably shouldn’t have taken on the project themselves.

"It should have been escalated and perhaps managed by the Department [of Transport] directly."

She said there has been "some movement in our discussions" about various aspects of the project.

To give "a hint of the complexity" she said: "In order to get this done at some point they are going to have to shut all rail services that go along that line. Now that’s a really key line, not just for passengers but also for freight.

"In order to achieve that normally it takes months and months and months of planning. What they’ve assured is that when they have to do that closure they are going to expedite it, and that that is going to be absolutely prioritised – which was not the case before.

"Before they were trying to fit it in with everything else.

“They are trying.”

Network Rail said it is continuing to meet businesses and has been running a campaign to support them.

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Posted by ChrisB at 21:47, 14th December 2024
 
From This Is Oxfordshire

Traders will stage Botley Road protest on key Oxford date

Businesses in Oxford are planning a protest to coincide with a visit from rail minister Lord Hendy next month as politicians and traders call for urgent action on the reopening on Botley Road.

Lord Hendy has been warned he will "be walking into trouble if he comes to Oxford empty-handed" as traders demand clarity on when the works will be completed after months of uncertainty.

There have been repeated delays with a £161m scheme to improve the rail station which led to the closure of the key city route at the rail bridge in April last year.

In July, Network Rail said a series of delays with the scheme meant they would not be able to reopen Botley Road as planned in October.

The rail company said a review of the entire project would be conducted in conjunction with contractors Kier and the Department for Transport.

Now Lord Hendy has told Oxford West and Abingdon MP Layla Moran in a meeting that he will visit the city in January to provide an update on the work schedule.

Meanwhile, traders who say their businesses have been harmed by the closure of Botley Road are planning to lobby the minister.

Amanda Suliman-Bell, of Rainbow & Spoon boutique, complained earlier this year that footfall at her shop fell 90 per cent when Network Rail rerouted a walkway, taking customers to the opposite side of Frideswide Square.

Speaking this week, she said: "We were planning a protest in the square for January 11 but when we know the date of Lord Hendy's visit we will coincide it with that so it has more impact.

"It's not just me - shops and businesses across west Oxford and other parts of the city have been badly affected by the Botley Road closure.

"When Lord Hendy visits I expect him to say something concrete and provide a finish date for the project and a date for the reopening of Botley Road."

Julian Le Vay, of residents' group West Oxford Access, has been collecting statements from businesses, and residents with mobility issues, which are being compiled in a book to be published in advance of Lord Hendy's visit.

Mr Le Vay said: "Lord Hendy will be walking into trouble if he comes here empty-handed.

"We don't want just another Network Rail plan - we want the minister to ensure dates are met for the reopening of Botley Road, we want compensation for businesses, and we want an inquiry."

On Tuesday, Ms Moran met Lord Hendy and Network Rail CEO Andrew Haines to discuss the redevelopment of Oxford station and the ongoing closure of Botley Road.

Local business owners report they are experiencing up to a 60 per cent drop in income, she said.

She added that Network Rail apologised in the meeting for their mismanagement of the project.

The rail company has been faced with numerous hold-ups, including the discovery of a Victorian arch under the road, as well as difficulties diverting utility cables.

Ms Moran said she pressed those present on the issues facing local businesses, accessibility for those with mobility issues, and the anger and frustration of all local residents.

The minister confirmed the government’s commitment the project, and assured her he would travel to Oxford in January to meet with key stakeholders and provide a timeline for the works going forwards.

Ms Moran said following the meeting: "The main message from Network Rail and the Minister was 'sorry'. But frankly that is the least they could say.

"Our local community has endured this serious disruption for far too long, and the end is not yet in sight.

“I am pleased Network Rail are acknowledging their failings, and reiterated their commitment to the project."

The MP added: "I pressed hard on the need for support for local businesses, many of whom are struggling and some of whom have already gone under.

"With the second Christmas of disruption fast approaching, extra support is sorely needed.

“Network Rail have demonstrated utterly shambolic project management from start to finish, and residents have lost all faith in them to deliver this project.

"It is up to them now to convince our community they have a credible plan to get this project finished."

Oxfordshire county councillor John Howson said improvements at Oxford station, particularly the creation of a new platform, were vital for East West Rail connections, with trains due to start running between Oxford and Milton Keynes by 2025.

He added: "The pressure is on for the Department for Transport, which has a whole raft of half-finished rail schemes and a Chancellor saying' I need to cut back public expenditure'."

In September, Lord Hendy wrote to council leaders in Oxford to say he was "acutely aware" of the disruption caused by the Botley Road closure.

He assured the councils his officials would "press Network Rail closely as it continues to produce a robust plan for completion of the Botley Road bridge works and the wider Oxford station enhancement project".

The Department for Transport said it was too soon to confirm Lord Hendy's visit.

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Posted by ChrisB at 15:45, 29th November 2024
 
There is - but nothing to say when. The new bridge might be wider than the current one too.

Marshals will be present to manage the area and direct people via the Osney Lane footbridge as an alternative route during these closures.

For those who need assistance, there will be a transport service available from Becket Street and Mill Street which will run throughout that night shift, between 10pm and 8am.

Well, I wouldn't walk down to that overbridge in the dark, for sure.

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Posted by ray951 at 15:30, 29th November 2024
 
The footbridge across Botley Road that links the car park to the station is being removed over the weekend of 7th and 8th December.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24759905.botley-road-footbridge-will-removed-weekend/

Do we know whether there is a replacement in the plans?


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Posted by Noggin at 21:31, 26th November 2024
 
Fills you full of confidence? No doubt traders and residents in west Oxford similarly.

But it's back to the point above - 19-odd contractors for Keir to wrangle, all running services like water, power, sewerage, gas and Internet that people are presumably quite fond of.

And when that's done, there's all the rest of the work for the bridge replacement, not to mention the replacement itself, which will need to be planned a long way in advance. 

And after one missed deadline, are you surprised if NR are somewhat reticent to commit to a time.

To be honest I really can't see what a Government Minister can do to speed things up, other than guarantee the budget or mucking things up by robbing resources from other projects? 

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Posted by ChrisB at 19:30, 25th November 2024
 
Well.....other than this Christmas, when it surely can't happen, the next opportunity to replace the bridge itself is in July 2025...so not far off that. Unless of course, the DfT calls a halt to it - but the Chancellor said EWR would be built "in full", and that means enabling 6 tph from Oxford towards Bicester....

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by CyclingSid at 19:26, 25th November 2024
 
Fills you full of confidence? No doubt traders and residents in west Oxford similarly.

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Posted by Mark A at 18:24, 25th November 2024
 
From Oxford City Council's full council meeting this evening, source linked below.

"Cllr Upton, responding to a question about the Botley Road bridge closure: '[Network Rail] are not even sure about what the budget envelope that’s remaining is going to cover.' Cllr Rehman’s comment about 'another year of Botley Road closed' is not refuted."


Mark


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Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by TonyK at 17:05, 14th November 2024
 
It will be interesting to see if the Transport Secretary can do anything to actually help move things forward, or will just complain instead.

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by ChrisB at 21:34, 12th November 2024
 
From the BBC

MP to meet transport secretary over station delays

An Oxford MP is set to meet with the transport secretary to discuss delays to work to upgrade the city's rail station.

Layla Moran raised the lengthy delays to the £161m Network Rail project, which has seen Botley Road closed since April 2023, in Parliament on Tuesday.

Transport Secretary Louise Haigh said the situation was not "good enough" and agreed to her request for a meeting.

Network Rail has described the project as "incredibly complex" and said it was "taking the time to get it right".

Ms Moran, the Lib Dem MP for Oxford West and Abingdon, said she was planning to attend a meeting of businesses affected by the works later in the week.

Her office said firms had reported up to a 60% drop in income and many were "deeply concerned" about how the closure would affect trade over Christmas.

Ms Moran said Network Rail's motto seemed to be "move slow and break things" and that it had "mismanaged" the train station upgrade.

She said she previously wrote to Transport minister Lord Hendy, who had agreed to meet with her, but now "seems too busy".

Ms Haigh said she agreed "the situation in Oxford isn't good enough".

She said she agreed with Ms Moran's characterisation of Network Rail and said that was "part of the reason" why it was being abolished.

"I will of course meet with her to discuss how we can improve the situation," Ms Haigh said.

Speaking afterwards, Ms Moran said she looked forward to finding "an acceptable way forward”.

“Network Rail have demonstrated utterly shambolic project management from start to finish, and residents have lost all faith in them to deliver this project," she added.

In a previous statement a Network Rail spokesman said: “We are working with the Department for Transport and local authority partners as we undertake a full review of the programme and will provide an update on timescales for the next steps of the project.

"This is an incredibly complex project, involving multiple organisations, so although we know everyone wants clarity, we are taking the time to get it right."

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by ChrisB at 12:19, 19th October 2024
 
From what I understand, the Network Rail contractor - Keir - are doing most of the work for all utilities. There aren't 19 utility owners all digging their own channel, for instance.

Once it comes to actually feeding cables through a pipe, or making a connection to a water main itself, then the owner does the work to completion - but otherwise Keir are doing the main works after agreement with the utilities about design/route, etc.

It was Keir that held all the public consultations too - of which various of us did warn them of problems ahead, some of which they have now acknowledged they ignored....

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Posted by stuving at 12:01, 19th October 2024
 
I presume the water utilities are under some kind of legal obligation to cooperate with other land users who want pipes and other things moved. Most commonly this will be a roads authority, since most pipes run under roads. I have not found out where that obligation is defined, or what they can be made to do in terms of speed or anything else. It's hard to believe they can be forced to give this a higher priority than their primary functions, or penalised for taking longer than they "promised".

In this case Thames Water's pipes are being moved primarily for the purposes of lowering the road, a project that takes advantage of the rebuilding of the railway bridge to also widen the road and its side paths. So The county council (and the city too) have their own requirements , as well as the railways' ones, and neither they nor any of the utilities are working for Network Rail - though they will get the costs paid.

So, while Network Rail sits at the top of the whole scheme, can they really be held responsible for when Thames Water's work, or the whole roads element of the  project, gets finished?

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Posted by ChrisB at 11:32, 19th October 2024
 
They have saved a week already with the boring of holes & will complete that next week with the last hole.

Hopefully, Thames Water will select a connection point from one of those holes.

Yes, I suspect you aren't far out, and everything will obviously stop for the Christmas/New Year fortnight.

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Posted by grahame at 11:17, 19th October 2024
 
So 5 weeks to do the boring. Followed by [? how long ?] for Thames Water to work out which location and agree to it, followed by 9 weeks to calculate completion date and get final budget approval.  So we should have an update beyond "dunno when" sometime in the New Year?

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Posted by ChrisB at 11:04, 19th October 2024
 
The trial holes are for connection of the *new* water main. Thames Water refused the original locations from the contractors as they were too close to possible contamination from the foul sewer pipe.

Until Thames Water accept a new location, the date of completion cannot be calculated, nor approval of the final budget approved by the DfT. Once the DfT has approved any of the 3 plans being presented, then the completion date can be worked out. This will take 9 weeks from when Thames Water agree a new location.

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 05:28, 19th October 2024
 
From Ground Engineering

Just part of the story ...

Oxford station upgrade: Trial holes drilled after complex utility diversions cause delays

[snip]

“There are a number of buried pipes and cables from various different companies, many of are strategically important e.g. water main. The condition of these pipes and cables is varied some abandoned and no clear owner identified,” they said.

Another major challenge is a brick arch that was discovered underneath Botley Road in sum 2023, that was not previously recorded. The arch is believed to be Victorian and was placed t manage water levels. As such, the impact of removing it was unknown.

I don't see anywhere in the article ( member mirror ) a suggestion of a completion date.  Perhaps that is wise as, from my reading, they're at a research stage and don't know what the final outcome will be.

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Posted by ChrisB at 21:20, 15th October 2024
 
The hole is an exploratory hole for a Thames Water connection to their new Water supply pipe. The two original sites were refused at a late stage owing to being too close to the foul sewer. It is these holes (5 in total, this is the third) that is holding up Network Rail's reappraisal of costs & request to DfT for approval of additional funding. Once Thames Water pick their site, Network Rail are saying it would be 9 weeks before a decision is made by DfT.

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Posted by TonyN at 21:11, 15th October 2024
 
I have been to Oxford today. There is now a large hole in Botley road west of the railway between Abbey Road and Mill Street. Pedestrians can walk along the south side of Botley road but not cross over to Cripley Road.
They have to walk along Abbey Road and through Cripley Place to Reach Cripley Road and along the west side of the railway to Jerico.

Buses going to the temprorary bus depot also have to go via Cripley Place. Access to the MIll Street Area for residents only by going round and then being allowed through the work site to cross from Cripley Road to Mill Street.

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Posted by stuving at 18:56, 15th October 2024
 
Having not seen it for some time, the sight of the Botley Road bridge in September came as a surprise. (Photo below...)

Which is the footway that is to reopen please?

Mark

It's round to the right of your picture. The pre-diversion arrangement is currently on Google Earth. Those coming into Oxford under the bridge, or down off the footbridge, would exit (to the right) onto the south side of Frideswide Square. The diversion routes them across Botley Road to the north side of the Square.

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Posted by Mark A at 18:37, 15th October 2024
 
Having not seen it for some time, the sight of the Botley Road bridge in September came as a surprise. (Photo below...)

Which is the footway that is to reopen please?

Mark


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Posted by ChrisB at 18:02, 15th October 2024
 
And Network Rail has said that they will reinstate the south-side footway for at least the 5 weeks prior to Xmas.

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by grahame at 17:22, 15th October 2024
 
Oxford Mail https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/ now reporting that a local councillor has stated that the Botley Road is unlikely to be open until the end of 2025. No official announcement from Network Rail, but I do feel sorry for the residents of Oxford.

Businesses too ...  from This is Oxfordshire

Amanda Suliman-Bell, who runs Rainbow & Spoon cafe, complained that footfall had fallen by 90 per cent since the diversion, which guides pedestrians away from the south side of the square.

Earlier this month Mrs Suliman-Bell said she feared she would have to shut the store if the original walkway was not restored in the near future.

She emailed Network Rail and contractors Kier urging them to restore the original pedestrian walkway as soon as possible.

She said in her email: "I have lost 90 per cent of my footfall since you changed the walkway over on July 1 - with absolutely no warning, no announcement, no hint and zero thought as to how it might impact those businesses on the south side of Frideswide Square - indeed the only side of the square where there are businesses."

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Posted by nickswift99 at 15:10, 8th August 2024
 
Oxford Mail https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/ now reporting that a local councillor has stated that the Botley Road is unlikely to be open until the end of 2025. No official announcement from Network Rail, but I do feel sorry for the residents of Oxford.

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Posted by didcotdean at 11:21, 26th July 2024
 
Network Rail say they 'need more time' before it can say when Botley Road will be reopened as "a review" is now being carried out.

"The review will look at what has been achieved so far, what remains to be done, plus the timescales and budget required. It will also consider options for rescheduling the replacement of Botley Road bridge.

"This is an incredibly complex project, involving multiple organisations, so although we know everyone wants clarity, we are taking the time to get it right.”

(Source: Oxford Mail)

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by eightonedee at 08:25, 13th July 2024
 
No. I was referring to the practice of having a continuous reinforced trench laid, mostly in the margin of a road, often under or alongside the footway. This is now quite usual in new developments,  especially larger scale ones.

It's the same idea as practiced in Germany as referred to by Ellendune.

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Posted by stuving at 19:08, 12th July 2024
 
I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!

You didn't mean this, did you:
Fibre in water

March 2022 - We’re doing our research

Our plan is to put the fibre cables into ‘messenger pipes’, which are made from the same material as our new water pipes. The messenger pipes will protect the fibre cables and make sure they don’t touch the water.

But first things first, we need to make sure this is safe for customers. We’ll look into any possible risks and will iron out any potential problems with the design, technology or processes.
 
What’s next?

If the project passes the initial research phase, 17km of fibre-optic cables will be laid in our water pipes between Barnsley and Penistone in 2023. This will be the first time a project like this has been trialled in the UK!

That was done by Yorkshire Water; or rather it wasn't - the study report came out a year late, and while it tried to sound positive the trial won't happen.
Combining two industries meant there was a lack of clarity when it came to industry approved standards which meant certification became a challenge. An important aspect of using the clean water network is that anything installed within the network first needs Regulation 31 (Reg 31) approval from the DWI. For this project, approvals were needed for the installation method and the finished installed product. At the time of writing, almost 2 years after the TAWCO project was awarded funding, approval for the finished product remains outstanding and subsequently there is a barrier to adoption until this issue is resolved.

In addition to the enabling technology, alignment of the operational processes of two very disparate industries – from design and construction to ownership and operation, including ‘break-fix’ – presented a significant challenge. TAWCO successfully defined aligned processes and as such has created

OK, it was a silly idea, but failing to even spend £5M on an initial trial sounds all to familiar. Fibre in sewer, of course, is a much older technique - you're just supposed to ask first!

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Posted by ellendune at 13:44, 12th July 2024
 
To add to the list of service companies/contacts-

1 - The sewerage and water supply divisions of Thames Water will be two different business units
2 - There will be highway drains (Oxfordshire County Council) as well
3 - In addition to any commercial fibre companies, it is likely that "JANET" (the Joint Academic Network) has a line through here.
4 - I think that I have read somewhere that there's also a culverted watercourse in the mix - step forward the Environment Agency
5 - Then there will also be the railway's own drains & services. I understand the lack (or loss) of these is one the many reasons for the problems and delays with the GW Mainline electrification.

BTW - I believe that moving fibre cables may not be simple or straightforward either.

I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!

For sewerage at least the water company are likely to let the main contractor do the work. 

Common service ducts are quite normal in Germany. 

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by eightonedee at 13:02, 12th July 2024
 
To add to the list of service companies/contacts-

1 - The sewerage and water supply divisions of Thames Water will be two different business units
2 - There will be highway drains (Oxfordshire County Council) as well
3 - In addition to any commercial fibre companies, it is likely that "JANET" (the Joint Academic Network) has a line through here.
4 - I think that I have read somewhere that there's also a culverted watercourse in the mix - step forward the Environment Agency
5 - Then there will also be the railway's own drains & services. I understand the lack (or loss) of these is one the many reasons for the problems and delays with the GW Mainline electrification.

BTW - I believe that moving fibre cables may not be simple or straightforward either.

I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by ellendune at 12:14, 12th July 2024
 

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!

Perhaps there are - and were - more than that, especially if you are doing PR and playing "make the biggest number". If you list utilities as distinct network types, not by owner, you get: gas, electricity, water, foul sewers, road drains, cable TV (that standard location inherited by Virgin Media for fibre), telephone, and then fibre. Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.


Both Sewers and Water Mains are Thames Water, Trunk and distribution mains are still with the same organisation so I would expect them to use the same contract.  Although Gas Distribution and Gas Transmission are separate I would be extremely surprised if there was a Gas Transmission Main there as there are only about 30 points where the transmission and Distribution networks join in the whole country.  Similarly for the electricity transmission network (though there are a few more interfaces). 

A long way back in this thread I did say that the best way would have been to drive a service tunnel under the railway and divert all the services through that.  If that looked too expensive then I doubt i it does now!

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by ChrisB at 10:47, 12th July 2024
 
Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.

There are at least 2 trunk fibre networks running under under that bridge as well as a trunk & local water main. The sewer is being rerouted away from the bridge, to pass under the tracks instead as they can't remove/replace it.

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by stuving at 09:40, 12th July 2024
 
Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!

Perhaps there are - and were - more than that, especially if you are doing PR and playing "make the biggest number". If you list utilities as distinct network types, not by owner, you get: gas, electricity, water, foul sewers, road drains, cable TV (that standard location inherited by Virgin Media for fibre), telephone, and then fibre. Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by ellendune at 08:36, 12th July 2024
 
Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by Electric train at 21:53, 11th July 2024
 
Note what Network Rail said about "Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved". I can't imagine how there are as many as eleven, even if half of them are fibre operators, but I'm not surprised that coordinating them is difficult. It's probably more difficult than it should be.

You can imagine the meeting (live or Teams) which goes "we've found an old pipe that is is our way, so our work has to be changed and will take a bit longer" - "oh, that means we will have to replan our work,  and then schedule a new time (much later) to do that" - "ah, if we have to delay our work that means ..." etc. etc.

The time allowed looks long enough to an outsider, and given the constraints on booking rail closures NR must have allowed as long as they though it could possibly take plus a bit on top. I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.



Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Posted by ellendune at 20:45, 11th July 2024
 
Note what Network Rail said about "Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved". I can't imagine how there are as many as eleven, even if half of them are fibre operators, but I'm not surprised that coordinating them is difficult. It's probably more difficult than it should be.

You can imagine the meeting (live or Teams) which goes "we've found an old pipe that is is our way, so our work has to be changed and will take a bit longer" - "oh, that means we will have to replan our work,  and then schedule a new time (much later) to do that" - "ah, if we have to delay our work that means ..." etc. etc.

The time allowed looks long enough to an outsider, and given the constraints on booking rail closures NR must have allowed as long as they though it could possibly take plus a bit on top. I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.

Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

 
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