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| Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains? In "Across the West" [376983/32220/26] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:11, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
From the backermost recesses of my memory, I seem to recall that HSBC owned some of them.
Or is that hogwash, II ?

| Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains? In "Across the West" [376982/32220/26] Posted by John D at 21:56, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
First own some IETs and I'm sure their serial numbers can be found somewhere on this forum
Hitachi own the remainder
Hitachi own the remainder
Are you sure about that?
I think some of the 36 class 802s are owned by Eversholt (but were ordered by First Group, rather than by DfT), Hitachi have a maintenance contract, GWR lease them from Eversholt
I think the class 800s are owned by Agility Trains, which is part owned by Hitachi, part owned by AXA and part by GLIL Infrastructure (an investment by consortium of pension funds)
EDIT It is Agility Trains West Ltd, which is wholly owned subsidiary of Agility Trains (MidCo) Ltd, which in turn is wholly owned subsidiary of Agility Trains West (Holdings) Ltd, which in turn is subsidiary of joint venture where Hitachi hold 25%. (complicated, but presumably works better to minimise tax etc)
| Re: Barbeques, on the railway and elsewhere - ongoing discussion In "The Lighter Side" [376981/32069/30] Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:44, 12th July 2026 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
| Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains? In "Across the West" [376980/32220/26] Posted by IndustryInsider at 21:36, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
First own some IETs and I'm sure their serial numbers can be found somewhere on this forum
Hitachi own the remainder
Hitachi own the remainder
Are you sure about that?
| Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains? In "Across the West" [376979/32220/26] Posted by ChrisB at 21:24, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
First own some IETs and I'm sure their serial numbers can be found somewhere on this forum
Hitachi own the remainder
| More that normal trains need repair at the same time In "The Lighter Side" [376978/32230/30] Posted by grahame at 21:21, 12th July 2026 Already liked by Oxonhutch | ![]() |
Ever wonder what the inside of a Warship looks like?



| Re: Toll bridges - charges and fines In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376977/32224/51] Posted by grahame at 19:57, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
All of this, for a toll of just £1 ??
But these things add up .. an RAC page from last year ...
There are 20 tolls, or toll roads, in the UK; 18 of which are river crossings.
and
In September 2016 the BBC reported that nearly 3.5m fines had been issued to drivers for non-payment of crossing charges since the toll booths were removed at the Dartford River Crossing.
and
In September 2016 the BBC reported that nearly 3.5m fines had been issued to drivers for non-payment of crossing charges since the toll booths were removed at the Dartford River Crossing.
| Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376976/30367/51] Posted by stuving at 18:22, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
"UK’s public spending watchdog to investigate Lower Thames Crossing project"
Are they just opening one before construction starts on the assumption they'll need it in due course when it costs at least double the estimated cost to actually build it?
The quote refers to "audit work", so presumably this will lead to an audit report. The NAO does those as routine, based on the amount of money being spent - the clue is in the word "audit". They do responsive and value for money reports too, where there is an issue to investigate, but I don't think that can arise before the money has been spent.
That's rather the principle I follow when I might perhaps start a topic here today, about 'Infrastructure problems between Paddington and Reading, 2027 - ongoing discussion".
CfN.

| Re: Heritage railways crossing public highways - issues raised In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376974/32192/51] Posted by eightonedee at 17:25, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
I am surprised that the crossing cannot be used with additional supervision and traffic control on the ground. There must be railway procedures in place to pass a train over a defective level crossing, especially in the long daylight of summer.
The explanation might be that the Wallingford By-pass forms part of a somewhat convoluted diversion route for a lengthy closure of the busy A329 road in Cholsey between now and early September. I can (sadly) see the sense in not permitting this in these circumstances (not that this seems to have stopped other utility companies getting permission for other shorter closures in the area at the same time.
| Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376973/30367/51] Posted by eightonedee at 17:12, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
"UK’s public spending watchdog to investigate Lower Thames Crossing project"
Are they just opening one before construction starts on the assumption they'll need it in due course when it costs at least double the estimated cost to actually build it?
| Re: Call for volunteers - 18th July 2026 - Walkers for Melksham Carnival In "Diary - what's happening when?" [376972/32222/34] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:04, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
With my apologies for possibly rather egging this topic:
I have a personal copy of that 36 page Melksham timetable booklet. It is absolutely brilliant - a reference source for anyone looking to use public transport anywhere in and around Melksham, in precise and clear detail.
It's worth acquiring a copy, free, to keep in your rucksack or handbag (whatever) for reference on any of your excursions. Particularly as a non-native of Melksham, I do.
CfN.

| MOVED: Road markings and signs - various errors causing confusion, mirth and some concerns - merged posts In "The Lighter Side" [376971/32227/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:11, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
This topic has been moved to The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom.
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14110.0
Early this morning I drove 33 miles to Savernake Forest, walked, then returned to Reading via Marlborough - about 80 miles of driving. I was surprised at the amount of roadkill- at least 15 corpses, mostly (apparently) of foxes, hares and rabbits, far more than I've seen before.
The Forest is privately owned but nearly all its paths and tracks are "permissive" - but closed on New Year's Day to forestall any claim that they become public because of continuity of use. It's managed by the Forestry Commission who've done a good job of putting gravel on some of the most popular ones, though I met one local who'd known the Forest "for 75 years" who bemoaned the main route - the Grand Avenue - having been widened, presumably to allow cars to pass each other.
BTW the locality is a transport enthusiast's dream, with some of the Forest roads showing remnants of tarred surfaces, presumably relating to when the Forest stored ammunition in WWII, the Kennet & Avon Canal (including the Bruce Tunnel and Crofton Beam Engine), the sites of Savernake's two railway stations and of where the Midland & South Western Junction Railway crossed the GWR and connected with it.
| Toll bridges - charges and fines In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376969/32224/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:39, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Toll bridge fine issued to driver 270 miles away

The Warburton Toll Bridge crosses the Manchester Ship Canal
A driver said he was left "perturbed" after receiving a fine for crossing a toll bridge more than 270 miles from his home despite insisting he had never been near it.
Graham Parsons, from Plymouth, Devon, received an unpaid toll charge for using the Warburton Toll Bridge, which links Cheshire and Greater Manchester.
His case is one of a number raised by motorists who have complained about the bridge's payment and enforcement system.
Peel Ports said there had been "some genuine customer experience issues", but the evidence did "not indicate a systemic failure of the system".
The bridge previously cost 12p a crossing, but the charge was increased to £1 following refurbishment works in recent years. Manned toll booths were removed and replaced with an automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) camera system.
Mr Parsons told BBC Politics North West he received an unpaid toll charge in early June for a crossing in March. "I put my Sherlock Holmes hat on because I didn't realise that I'd ever been near the bridge," he said. "And in fact, I had never been near the bridge because it's 271 miles from where I live. So I was quite perturbed and annoyed."
He appealed and discovered the camera had misread his registration plate, which differed by one character from the vehicle photographed. Two weeks later, he received a second letter relating to another crossing in April.
Mr Parsons then submitted a subject access request to parking operator Excel Parking, after which the charges were cancelled.
He said he was "lucky" to know what steps to take and highlighted that a Facebook group where others had been through similar experiences with the bridge had helped him.
"I thought 'this is bad, I need to get it resolved' but I have a lot more sympathy for local people that have to cross that bridge on multiple occasions," he said.
He also raised concerns about his personal information being released by the DVLA.
The DVLA said it was "sorry for any distress caused".
"In this case, the company that requested the information has confirmed the notices were issued in error and has cancelled the charges," a spokesperson said.
Russell Barton, from Lowton, often makes one-way journeys across the bridge, visiting his elderly parents on his way home from work. He received an unpaid toll charge in June for a crossing in March despite having paid the charge.
"Luckily I don't often delete emails, and sure enough there's the receipt that I paid the £1 crossing on the day they say I didn't," he said. He said the system was "not fit for purpose".
"I appreciate they spent a lot of money on the bridge and that needs to be paid for somehow," he said. But he said the way the charges increase was "not fair" and "not proportionate".
"I think a lot of people will just pay it to get it out of their hair, or they haven't kept the receipt. I won't do that, I'll go to court and I'll win." He added that if the company "can't sort their own house out, then it must be regulated".
Connor Rand, Labour MP for Altrincham and Sale West, said he had been "inundated" with messages about the bridge, which is partially in his constituency. "It's clear whatever is happening isn't working - it's broken at the moment," he said.
He said he wanted Peel Ports to "come to the table, take the issue seriously and work to solve them in a way that works for residents. What I'll be saying to the transport minister and the department is that if they don't take those issues seriously then we might need to look at what other action we can take - including parliamentary action - to solve the issues," he said.
Meanwhile, Warrington North's Labour MP Charlotte Nichols - whose constituency also partially includes the bridge - said she had met Peel Ports after receiving complaints from residents and had been told the company would investigate.
In a statement, Peel Ports said it recognised the "variety of concerns" users have about the operation of the toll enforcement system.
It said: "We take all feedback seriously and are reviewing the examples that have been provided, in conjunction with Excel Parking who are responsible for the number plate recognition system and the toll charges. We and Excel will continue to investigate any specific examples provided and it will be for Excel to implement changes from any lessons learned. Our focus remains on delivering a fair, proportionate and transparent service for all users."
It said that while there had been "some genuine customer experience issues", its assessment found no evidence of a "systemic failure" of the scheme. And it said where an issue had been found due to an error it had "acted appropriately, including issuing payments retrospectively where justified and upholding appeals where the evidence supports this".
Excel Parking has been approached for comment.

The Warburton Toll Bridge crosses the Manchester Ship Canal
A driver said he was left "perturbed" after receiving a fine for crossing a toll bridge more than 270 miles from his home despite insisting he had never been near it.
Graham Parsons, from Plymouth, Devon, received an unpaid toll charge for using the Warburton Toll Bridge, which links Cheshire and Greater Manchester.
His case is one of a number raised by motorists who have complained about the bridge's payment and enforcement system.
Peel Ports said there had been "some genuine customer experience issues", but the evidence did "not indicate a systemic failure of the system".
The bridge previously cost 12p a crossing, but the charge was increased to £1 following refurbishment works in recent years. Manned toll booths were removed and replaced with an automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) camera system.
Mr Parsons told BBC Politics North West he received an unpaid toll charge in early June for a crossing in March. "I put my Sherlock Holmes hat on because I didn't realise that I'd ever been near the bridge," he said. "And in fact, I had never been near the bridge because it's 271 miles from where I live. So I was quite perturbed and annoyed."
He appealed and discovered the camera had misread his registration plate, which differed by one character from the vehicle photographed. Two weeks later, he received a second letter relating to another crossing in April.
Mr Parsons then submitted a subject access request to parking operator Excel Parking, after which the charges were cancelled.
He said he was "lucky" to know what steps to take and highlighted that a Facebook group where others had been through similar experiences with the bridge had helped him.
"I thought 'this is bad, I need to get it resolved' but I have a lot more sympathy for local people that have to cross that bridge on multiple occasions," he said.
He also raised concerns about his personal information being released by the DVLA.
The DVLA said it was "sorry for any distress caused".
"In this case, the company that requested the information has confirmed the notices were issued in error and has cancelled the charges," a spokesperson said.
Russell Barton, from Lowton, often makes one-way journeys across the bridge, visiting his elderly parents on his way home from work. He received an unpaid toll charge in June for a crossing in March despite having paid the charge.
"Luckily I don't often delete emails, and sure enough there's the receipt that I paid the £1 crossing on the day they say I didn't," he said. He said the system was "not fit for purpose".
"I appreciate they spent a lot of money on the bridge and that needs to be paid for somehow," he said. But he said the way the charges increase was "not fair" and "not proportionate".
"I think a lot of people will just pay it to get it out of their hair, or they haven't kept the receipt. I won't do that, I'll go to court and I'll win." He added that if the company "can't sort their own house out, then it must be regulated".
Connor Rand, Labour MP for Altrincham and Sale West, said he had been "inundated" with messages about the bridge, which is partially in his constituency. "It's clear whatever is happening isn't working - it's broken at the moment," he said.
He said he wanted Peel Ports to "come to the table, take the issue seriously and work to solve them in a way that works for residents. What I'll be saying to the transport minister and the department is that if they don't take those issues seriously then we might need to look at what other action we can take - including parliamentary action - to solve the issues," he said.
Meanwhile, Warrington North's Labour MP Charlotte Nichols - whose constituency also partially includes the bridge - said she had met Peel Ports after receiving complaints from residents and had been told the company would investigate.
In a statement, Peel Ports said it recognised the "variety of concerns" users have about the operation of the toll enforcement system.
It said: "We take all feedback seriously and are reviewing the examples that have been provided, in conjunction with Excel Parking who are responsible for the number plate recognition system and the toll charges. We and Excel will continue to investigate any specific examples provided and it will be for Excel to implement changes from any lessons learned. Our focus remains on delivering a fair, proportionate and transparent service for all users."
It said that while there had been "some genuine customer experience issues", its assessment found no evidence of a "systemic failure" of the scheme. And it said where an issue had been found due to an error it had "acted appropriately, including issuing payments retrospectively where justified and upholding appeals where the evidence supports this".
Excel Parking has been approached for comment.
All of this, for a toll of just £1 ??
| Re: Barbeques, on the railway and elsewhere - ongoing discussion In "The Lighter Side" [376968/32069/30] Posted by chuffed at 15:22, 12th July 2026 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
I saw what you did there CfN....before anyone throws briquettes at you.
| Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [376967/18719/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:36, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
There are some however for later in the day, some of which were announced last night.
True, but given the current and ongoing issues caused by "severe" weather, signal failures,"more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" aka too hot to be driven, falling trees etc etc we should probably be grateful for every small mercy!
11:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:45
11:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:45 will be delayed at Westbury and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Will be formed of 3 coaches. Toilet facilities are reduced.
Additional Facilities Information
The accessible toilet is not available for use.
| Re: Call for volunteers - 18th July 2026 - Walkers for Melksham Carnival In "Diary - what's happening when?" [376965/32222/34] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:24, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
This is a call and briefing for walkers to support the Melksham Transport User Group.
I will be there - but please don't let that put you off also volunteering to help.
CfN.

| Re: Heritage railways crossing public highways - issues raised In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376964/32192/51] Posted by Oxonhutch at 11:18, 12th July 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
Driving past a short while ago, it appears that a vehicle has demolished one of the central reservation crossing road warning light arrays. The parallel stop signal is still in place at the side of the road. That appears to be the only damage on the crossing - even the keep-left beacon on the short central reservation is still in place.
I am surprised that the crossing cannot be used with additional supervision and traffic control on the ground. There must be railway procedures in place to pass a train over a defective level crossing, especially in the long daylight of summer.
| Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [376963/18719/26] Posted by bobm at 10:11, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
There are some however for later in the day, some of which were announced last night.
| Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [376962/18719/26] Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:35, 12th July 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
The morning after the England game. Just one cancellation currently listed due to crew shortages this morning.
Next Saturday (18th July 2026) - Melksham Carnival. This is a call and briefing for walkers to support the Melksham Transport User Group.
We have a thousand bus and train timetables to hand out and asking if YOU are available to help us. We have a Faresaver bus promised to follow just behind us - raise awareness and helping us remind people of all the places they can go by bus and train this summer and Autumn.
"Just bring yourself" is the instruction - but please let me know ahead of time if you're coming so that I can brief you as part of our group, and have a group tabard available for you - transport group pink, or environment group green.
We rendezvous at the Central Car Park by 17:30 at the very latest for an 18:00 start. There are no extra car parking spaces there if you're coming by car - just space for the procession including the bus. But our team is very welcome to park at our place (48, Spa Road) - arrive there by 17:00 please - for us to walk in to the start. And we (Lisa and I) will have a supply of cold and hot drinks afterwards.
Key safety rules - organiser's and ours.
1. No alcohol during the event (and my addition, do not drink beforehand either!!)
2. No getting on or off moving vehicles (specifically, the bus will come to a halt to pass down fresh supplies of leaflets and bottled water for the walkers)
3. Your health and safety, and the health and safety of those around you, comes first and second. Getting the message out only comes third.
4. The objective is to promote public transport to, from and within Melksham and the timetable booklet is the ONLY leaflet to be promoted / offered to people. And it should NOT be forced into their hands - only if they want it when offered. I walk the route after the event picking up any discards - historically they will be few even though we start with a darned good supply
5. If people ask questions as we walk, we have very limited time to answer. "Sorry – I don't know" is perfectly valid. I will supply each walker with some black and white sheets with contact details / QR codes so they can be encouraged to follow up for us to get them answers. These sheets not to be promoted - they are a second level fallback; most of the extra data is in the 36 page booklet anyway. If in doubt - please call me over; I am there to support walkers.
The weather forecast - thank goodness - is for it to be dry, and somewhat cooler than it has been of late. Excellent.
If you are retuning home from Melksham by train or bus, the parade will conclude in good time to catch the final services to Chippenham and Swindon, to Trowbridge and Westbury, and to Bath and to Devizes.
Later that evening, the third place playoff for the World Cup takes place, and the following evening it's the final. England are going to be in one of those two matches - there will be some excitement about the forthcoming match but it should not impose on the carnival.
Big, big THANK YOU to Faresaver for the bus, leaflet help and partnership working.
Edit note: Minor typo corrected, purely for clarity. CfN.
No doubt not directly employed ‘Council’ roadmen but a CONtracted outfit.
At least they are repainting the white lines.
In much of Devon white lines at road junctions are worn out.
If you see a dead animal on the road consider ‘direct action’ by removing it to the hedge, as I did yesterday when I spotted a recently killed fox on a minor road.
| Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376959/30367/51] Posted by Mark A at 08:32, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
"UK’s public spending watchdog to investigate Lower Thames Crossing project."
Mark
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jul/12/public-spending-watchdog-investigate-lower-thames-crossing-project
I think this qualifies for inclusion:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39724143/council-paint-road-markings-over-dead-animals-horrifying-drivers/
According to Real Time Trains the morning service from Swindon was operated by 166 205 and the evening return by 165 104.
I would "go" with a suggestion that 166205 became too hot to handle waiting in the Jersey or Jubilee sidings all day and was failed, with the other unit that was also waiting all day to form a Weymouth to Bristol strengthening service called in to help. There were some interesting delays / cancellations / shunts.
The Swindon train left Weymouth 28 minutes late but was only 20 minutes late by Swindon. Apparently the station stop at Yetminster took 6 minutes, but then the generous allowance of 15 minutes at Pen Mill was cut to 3 minutes.
| Re: Barbeques, on the railway and elsewhere - ongoing discussion In "The Lighter Side" [376956/32069/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:09, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
I am now wondering whether I should set myself yet another target, of moving and merging some various previous posts into a definitive 'barbeque' topic - perhaps 'on the lighter side', here on the Coffee Shop forum?
CfN.

According to Real Time Trains the morning service from Swindon was operated by 166 205 and the evening return by 165 104.
| Re: Trains delayed across Britain due to nationwide fault on GSMR communication system In "Across the West" [376954/29596/26] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:28, 12th July 2026 | ![]() |
See also https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5264.msg376807#msg376807

CfN.














