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Re: LRTS long term rail stategy
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [379627/32507/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:51, 16th September 2026
 
LTRS maybe?

LRTS long term rail stategy
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [379626/32507/40]
Posted by John D at 12:43, 16th September 2026
 
Just published by DfT, a briefing paper for House of Lords called Long Term Rail Strategy

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6aaa782344ec1aa417346b36/proposals-for-long-term-rail-strategy.pdf

Plenty to discuss .......

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379625/27886/55]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 11:57, 16th September 2026
 
Ellesmere Port was built, but not the Ellesmere Canal as originally envisaged. It was going to be a more or less north-south route via Chester, Wrexham and Ruabon, then on to Trevor, Ellesmere and on to Shrewsbury. But the Chester-Trevor section was never built, nor the Ellesmere-Shrewsbury section. Eventually a rather indirect route was provided via what we now call the Shropshire Union main line and the Llangollen Canal, joining up some of the bits of the Ellesmere that had been constructed.

Re: Isles of Scilly sea ferry and air services - merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379624/11098/5]
Posted by TonyK at 11:34, 16th September 2026
 
Less so for those who had to resort to the brown bags supplied

I've never tried to hide my rum.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [379623/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:16, 16th September 2026
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:30 16/09.

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379622/27886/55]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 09:26, 16th September 2026
 
While we're on off-topic, another Port that is a long way from the town after which it was named is Ellesmere Port, some 30 miles from Ellesmere.  Though to be fair they did have a direct link, namely the Ellesmere Canal.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [379621/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 09:24, 16th September 2026
 
6-cell Mag lights have many uses and are much easier to carry/conceal than the good old bardic lamp,never without mine in the car.

Not much good for signalling by by means of coloured lights, or use as an emergency tail light.

Re: Checking on your train running just before you set off
In "Introductions and chat" [379620/32503/1]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 09:23, 16th September 2026
 
We have a little LED live departure board in the dining room that makes it easy to check.

I do often keep an eye on RTT a few hours before to see if an outbound (i.e. to Worcester/Hereford) journey has been cancelled, in case the train was due to form the inbound service I was planning to catch to Oxford.

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379619/27886/55]
Posted by grahame at 09:13, 16th September 2026
 
Ah... off-topic... a puzzling one from last week: the terminus station called "Port Douglas" - not particularly near the village of Douglas in Lanarkshire, and in no way a port (or particularly near what was for a short term, a canal) but very much a railhead for extractive industries that have now moved on.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/port has no fewer that 10 definitions of "port".  Does this place produce a fortified wine?   Is there a business there that translates software between languages and operating systems?  Is there a place called Starboard Douglas on the other side of the village?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379618/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:43, 16th September 2026
Already liked by grahame, Oxonhutch, GBM
 
Crossed legs express!

That "express" pauses long enough for loo breaks:

8 minutes at Swindon
9 minutes at Westbury
12 minutes at Salisbury

From https://swindonian.me/2024/02/19/33-swindon-railway-station-1842/

The Great Western Railway struck a deal with the contractors, JD and C Rigby to build Swindon’s railway station. But at their own expense. In return for footing that bill they were to keep the profits from the refreshment rooms and hotel business that would be carried out there.

To sweeten the deal, the GWR agreed to stop all trains at Swindon station for ten minutes so that the passengers could take refreshments.

Such facilities were vital. At that time it took approx four hours to get from Paddington to Bristol. And for the first few years locomotives had to be changed at Swindon (*). So the ten-minute stop also coincided with the GWR’s operational needs. And Swindon was the only station between Paddington and Bristol where travellers could slake their thirsts.

* - no longer a loco change - but probably a crew change


The Buffet, Swindon Station (1863)
George Elgar Hicks (English, 1824 – 1914
via https://artvee.com/dl/the-buffet-swindon-station/


Image is in Public Domain (?)



I'm sure I recognise a few Forum members in that picture - was it produced at an AGM? 

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379617/27886/55]
Posted by Mark A at 08:35, 16th September 2026
 
Ah... off-topic... a puzzling one from last week: the terminus station called "Port Douglas" - not particularly near the village of Douglas in Lanarkshire, and in no way a port (or particularly near what was for a short term, a canal) but very much a railhead for extractive industries that have now moved on.

Re: Another worrying incident of sabotage - now in the Netherlands 15 Sept 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [379616/32506/52]
Posted by John D at 08:11, 16th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A, GBM
 
I do wonder if the lobbing a metal object over a fence at a railway substation in UK last week, which has caused so many problems for electric trains to Paddington should be deemed sabotage.    Unless a fluke happened was clearly going to cause damage.

Vandalism was official version, but that feels wrong because it clearly created a fire (maybe arson ?) causing damage.

I think there is a section in Victorian Railways Act about causing damage that is likely to lead to a fatal accident or endanger a passenger.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379615/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:09, 16th September 2026
Already liked by JohnM, TaplowGreen
 
Crossed legs express!

That "express" pauses long enough for loo breaks:

8 minutes at Swindon
9 minutes at Westbury
12 minutes at Salisbury

From https://swindonian.me/2024/02/19/33-swindon-railway-station-1842/

The Great Western Railway struck a deal with the contractors, JD and C Rigby to build Swindon’s railway station. But at their own expense. In return for footing that bill they were to keep the profits from the refreshment rooms and hotel business that would be carried out there.

To sweeten the deal, the GWR agreed to stop all trains at Swindon station for ten minutes so that the passengers could take refreshments.

Such facilities were vital. At that time it took approx four hours to get from Paddington to Bristol. And for the first few years locomotives had to be changed at Swindon (*). So the ten-minute stop also coincided with the GWR’s operational needs. And Swindon was the only station between Paddington and Bristol where travellers could slake their thirsts.

* - no longer a loco change - but probably a crew change


The Buffet, Swindon Station (1863)
George Elgar Hicks (English, 1824 – 1914
via https://artvee.com/dl/the-buffet-swindon-station/


Image is in Public Domain (?)


Re: Checking on your train running just before you set off
In "Introductions and chat" [379614/32503/1]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:57, 16th September 2026
 
I/we have a 10-15 minute walk to Digby & Sowton so the status of the service to Exeter Central / St.Davids (or very occasionally further on) is always checked. Where onward connections are involved I always use RTT to see whether the subsequent train is on time or not.

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379613/27886/55]
Posted by Electric train at 07:02, 16th September 2026
 
Maidenhead Boyne Hill station opened 1 Aug 1854 closed 1 Nov1871
Maidenhead Riverside station opened June 4, 1838, renamed Maidenhead and Taplow in 1854 closed 1 Nov 1871

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379612/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:38, 16th September 2026
 
Crossed legs express!

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10
Facilities on the 05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10.
Toilet facilities are not available. Disabled toilet facilities are not available.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Stations closed a very long time ago
In "Railway History and related topics" [379611/27886/55]
Posted by grahame at 05:07, 16th September 2026
 
Quite a walk from Bradford's city centre ...

Has me straying off topic

Llanbister ROAD ... about 10kms from Llanbister

London ROAD ... but how far from London?

Re: Where was JayMac today, 13th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379610/32496/30]
Posted by grahame at 05:02, 16th September 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, GBM
 
I find it ironic that in German - that language that concatonates syllables to make complex new words - they are making a feature of LlanfairPG


Re: Derailment in Normandy
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [379609/32488/52]
Posted by stuving at 00:48, 16th September 2026
 
Clearing and repairing the track is going to take over a week. The first stage is removing the two damaged - or in one case wrecked - DMUs. SNCF are using the same method as NR did at Lewes - the two-Kirow ballet. While the five vehicles on the track are being moved, a lot of trees have to be felled so the two jibs can be slewed far enough to reach the other vehicle.

Re: Automatic can use multi-operator if train cancelled
In "Fare's Fair" [379608/32502/4]
Posted by grahame at 22:45, 15th September 2026
 
Customers holding a valid ticket will be able to travel on another participating operator’s train, departing within 2 hours before or after their original cancelled service, using a direct or reasonable alternative route. Passengers will need to show their original ticket to customer support staff on their new service as proof of purchase, with no requirement to download a new ticket.

"Customers holding a valid ticket [...]"

So I have a Network Railcard discounted ticket from Waterloo - Exeter, possibly split at Honiton.  Is that valid to travel on GWR via Taunton?

I have a series of split tickets Paddington - Plymouth, with a Network Card split at Newbury, Pewsey and Hungerford.  Is that valid to travel on a non-stopping service?

I have a Sheffield - Taunton not via London ticket Is that valid to travel via London?

"[...] using a direct or reasonable alternative route"

How is everyone going to know my train was cancelled across all those regions/operators?  Can I just buy a cheaper ticket and make it up or will I be expected to have proof?

On line systems typically let staff look up cancellations all across the network; they can find the proof.

Reading the statement with a pedant's eye in answer to your questions

* London stations to Exeter "via Honiton" WILL be accepted via Taunton.

* Sheffield to Taunton "not via London" WILL be accepted via London but not on East Midlands Trains

* It says "ticket" singular, so a split ticket booked journey must still stick to the "must call at" rule.

And adding some thoughts of my own

* Nothing is said about failed connections - only cancellations. So a late running train that fails to connect with another operator is not covered.  For example, a Penzance to Cheltenham Spa Advance ticket on GWR to Plymouth then XC but where the train from Cornwall is late - it does NOT cover onward travel by GWR from Plymouth and you must wait for the next Cross Country service.

* Can we treat a train that stops short as a cancellation - for example, if a Bristol to Portsmouth passenger who finds his (advance ticket) train gets cancelled beyond Southampton - I'm unclear as to whether he can carry on with SWR or Southern or must wait for the next GWR service an hour later

* A passenger planning to travel from Melksham to Bristol Parkway, tickets only available via Bath Spa, CAN travel via Swindon if the service via Bath Spa is cancelled - and indeed may want to because it's much faster

* Passengers from stations with occasional services cannot take advantage of the scheme if the next train isn't until more than two hours later.   Menheniot, Pilning, some gaps at Melksham, smaller stations on the halts train in Oxfordshire

* I am unclear as to how this works with tickets sold on virtual branch lines - a ticket from Kingsbridge to Kings Norton, for example.

I am probably overthinking this and in practise I find staff pretty reasonable when things go wrong.



Re: Another worrying incident of sabotage - now in the Netherlands 15 Sept 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [379607/32506/52]
Posted by stuving at 21:18, 15th September 2026
 
...and a degree of insider knowledge as to how railways technically work.

Yes, though that only needs to be one person involved in the planning. But the degree of planning and the number of people involved does say "political group" (including workers' ones). We don't seem to be using "splinter group" any more  - is there a current equivalent? 

Re: Another worrying incident of sabotage - now in the Netherlands 15 Sept 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [379606/32506/52]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:08, 15th September 2026
 
...and a degree of insider knowledge as to how railways technically work.

Re: Plymouth - Devonport - Saltash - St Germans - Liskeard (local) services
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [379605/32505/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:30, 15th September 2026
 
Is it just me, or does the word "replacement" (which I have automatically used) worry you too where the alternative / substitute offered / suggested is very different from the product that's supposed to be there?

I agree: the word used should be 'alternative'. 

CfN. 

Re: Checking on your train running just before you set off
In "Introductions and chat" [379604/32503/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:03, 15th September 2026
 
In my retirement, I generally don't 'book in advance' for rail travel: it's no longer time critical, as it used to be when I had an important team meeting to attend in London, for example.

Nailsea & Backwell, on the main line, benefits from a rather reliable service, these days: half hourly services into Bristol Temple Meads, for example, from which there will probably be alternative options if there is any disruption.

I will be taking the three trains from Nailsea to Kemble tomorrow (two changes, at Bristol and Swindon).  I will only be looking at 'train running' so I can inform my family that I may be a few minutes late for our lunch.

CfN. 

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [379603/32150/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:00, 15th September 2026
 
Am I being unrealistic, or are these figures some accepted new normal ?

I don't think any of the operators is doing especially well at the moment, so this is not a GWR thing.  I think it's the 'new normal' until GBR is up and running when there might be more structure and therefore more accountability and control.  At the moment it's a mess organisationally and that feeds down to the operational side of things.

And when I say GBR is up and running, I don't mean in December when GWR moves under direct government operation, but when the whole GBR organisation steps out of the shadows and into the limelight.  Scheduled for next year still?

How would the semi-permanent cancellation of the Padd to Didcot services be represented on here?  The services ‘operated’ but skipped Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough for much of the month.

Happy to be corrected, but I think any service that skipped a station (including services that start/terminate short) are counted as a 'half' cancellation for the 'All Cancellations' figure.

It seems like only yesterday when you first said "Manana Manana" 

Re: Another worrying incident of sabotage - now in the Netherlands 15 Sept 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [379602/32506/52]
Posted by stuving at 19:50, 15th September 2026
 
From what I've seen of the size of these pipes and cables, they were not intended to cause anything like a derailment.  All about activating track circuits, using for example jump leads or pipes "attached" to the rails. I have no information how that attachment might have been done, but some kind of scaffold clamp perhaps?

One specific trick has been to do this near a level crossing, brining the barriers down until the shorting link is removed. Of course that might also be just because that's easy to get to. But doing this during the day and on such a scale, you'd think something was caught on CCTV. But then, if the operation was carefully planned for its effect on the railway, it also was done knowing how to avoid cameras.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [379601/32150/26]
Posted by grahame at 15:48, 15th September 2026
 
It's been a difficult summer weather-wise, and other factors such as the side effects of pending re-organisation, budgetary control, world events, and so on all have their effect.   And so standards slip, or feel like they are slipping, right across the board.  How much of the slippage in our region is just a refection of nationwide ills, and how much of the performance issue is more regional of local?

I went to Open Train Times, where they produce station performance rankings, and share with you a map showing where the stations in a particular area come in a ranking. I also took a number of stations starting with "M" across Great Britain, and had the site plot their rankings for the last 6 months.





I personally question the Open Train Times evaluation algorithm, as I feel it give too little weight to cancellations, and so too much wait to delays.  However - the shape of the curve, where things have got better and where worse, is very informative.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [379600/32150/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:56, 15th September 2026
 
Am I being unrealistic, or are these figures some accepted new normal ?

I don't think any of the operators is doing especially well at the moment, so this is not a GWR thing.  I think it's the 'new normal' until GBR is up and running when there might be more structure and therefore more accountability and control.  At the moment it's a mess organisationally and that feeds down to the operational side of things.

And when I say GBR is up and running, I don't mean in December when GWR moves under direct government operation, but when the whole GBR organisation steps out of the shadows and into the limelight.  Scheduled for next year still?

How would the semi-permanent cancellation of the Padd to Didcot services be represented on here?  The services ‘operated’ but skipped Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough for much of the month.

Happy to be corrected, but I think any service that skipped a station (including services that start/terminate short) are counted as a 'half' cancellation for the 'All Cancellations' figure.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [379599/32150/26]
Posted by NickB at 14:17, 15th September 2026
 
Abysmal is polite.

How would the semi-permanent cancellation of the Padd to Didcot services be represented on here?  The services ‘operated’ but skipped Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough for much of the month.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [379598/32150/26]
Posted by John D at 14:04, 15th September 2026
Already liked by JohnM
 
GWR have now published performance figures for 4 weeks 26 July - 22 August 2026

Once again, depending on how polite you are, somewhere between awful and abysmal

Cancellations overall 7.02%

but certain lines did worse, eg
London - Cotswolds 10.16% cancelled
Outer Thames Valley 9.81%
North Downs 9.33%
London - South Wales 9.07%
Bristol Suburban 8.67%
South Wales - South Coast 8.51%
Plymouth and Cornwall 8.24%

Some of the cancellations were due to external factors, so not all GWRs fault (although how quickly they recover from an incident is really a function of control).   But worryingly some areas had over 6% cancelled that were totally due to GWR

However you look at it, a commuter doing 5 return trips (10 return journeys) shouldn't have to put up with 1 of those 10 cancelled

https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/publications/performance-report/gwr-performance-report-period-2705.pdf

Of the trains that did run, only about half (51.96%) actually ran on time, with one group not even managing 30% on time.

If you use the more generous within 3 minutes,  GWR didn't even get 7 in 10 meeting that spec, with the worst group achieving just a lowly 44.67%

Sometimes I try and encourage public transport use, but am I wasting my time when GWR seems so out of its depth and performs so badly, and seems to be getting worse.   This is not a bad day, it is ongoing for months.

Am I being unrealistic, or are these figures some accepted new normal ?





 
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