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4.7.2025 (Friday) 22:59 - All running AOK
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Re: Vivarail chosen for fast charging trial on the Greenford branch
In "Across the West" [362938/26034/26]
Posted by didcotdean at 21:32, 4th July 2025
 
The class 230 appears in the 2023 GWR Facilities Guide, on page 36 including a seating plan - the year it was expected to enter service. The fleet: one unit. Looks like it may well join the 769, also in that Guide, which didn't enter proper service.

Re: Weymouth - Westbury cancellations, 14 and 15 June 2025
In "Heart of Wessex" [362937/30356/19]
Posted by John D at 21:26, 4th July 2025
 
Period 02 performance has now been published by GWR
covers 27 April - 24 May (so includes dates of this thread)

Its South Coast (sub route 13) cancellations were hefty 7.31%

Punctuality wasn't great either, just 62.27% on time, and a lowly 96.25% within 15 minutes of time (or 3.75% more than 15 mins late)

https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/our-performance/GWR-Periodic-Web-Report-P2602.pdf


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362936/29711/14]
Posted by ray951 at 20:38, 4th July 2025
Already liked by charles_uk
 
Some problems yesterday including:

1523 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street cancelled between Oxford and Worcester Foregate Street due to disorder (VA)
1552 London Paddington to Great Malvern cancelled between Worcester Shrub Hill and Great Malvern due to late arrival of an inbound service (YI) (departed Oxford 59 late, arrived WOS 69 late)
1658 London Paddington to Great Malvern cancelled between Worcester Foregate Street and Great Malvern due to late arrival of an inbound service (YI) (departed Oxford 19 late, held at Wolvercote Junction and arrived at WOF 69 late)

See https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30434.0;topicseen for details of the disorder.

Re: Vivarail chosen for fast charging trial on the Greenford branch
In "Across the West" [362935/26034/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:52, 4th July 2025
 
Cost? Bought before nationalisation & now DfT win’t offer a contract for them? Maybe they want them for their open-access offerings?

Re: Vivarail chosen for fast charging trial on the Greenford branch
In "Across the West" [362934/26034/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 19:49, 4th July 2025
 
Didn't GWR buy up all the stock? Why not use them?

Re: Vivarail chosen for fast charging trial on the Greenford branch
In "Across the West" [362933/26034/26]
Posted by bradshaw at 17:56, 4th July 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
GWR have released a White Paper regarding the trials. There seems never to have been a plan to introduce the ex-LT trains into passenger service. Rather they have been used as proof of concept.


https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/sustainability/GWR-fast-charge-whitepaper-010725.pdf

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362932/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 17:47, 4th July 2025
 
Some problems yesterday including:

1523 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street cancelled between Oxford and Worcester Foregate Street due to disorder (VA)
1552 London Paddington to Great Malvern cancelled between Worcester Shrub Hill and Great Malvern due to late arrival of an inbound service (YI) (departed Oxford 59 late, arrived WOS 69 late)
1658 London Paddington to Great Malvern cancelled between Worcester Foregate Street and Great Malvern due to late arrival of an inbound service (YI) (departed Oxford 19 late, held at Wolvercote Junction and arrived at WOF 69 late)

and a regular one for today:

17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

Re: Man arrested at Oxford Station 3/7/2025 for making bomb threat on board train
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [362931/30434/9]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:32, 4th July 2025
 
According to the Oxford Mail, a bladed article was also being carried by this gent who is now in custody

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362930/29650/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:48, 4th July 2025
 
Oh yes it does - won't it reduce the loadings by having people miss connections, and increase the passenger angst and chance of passenger disturbances on the branch trains?   The JourneyCheck wording written from an operational rather than from a passenger journey viewpoint?

You’re saying it would have been more sensible to write “We apologise, but this will increase the likelihood of a passenger disturbance on branch line trains, but your train might well be quieter.” 

"The trains on the branches will be running at normal times, but connections may not be made so you may have to wait for the next train?

Ah, fair enough, it looked like you were after a more radical change of wording than that.  Though I would suggest the phrase ‘on the branches’ would mean nothing to a fair few passengers, so you would still want to list them like in the original message.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362929/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:14, 4th July 2025
 
Oh yes it does - won't it reduce the loadings by having people miss connections, and increase the passenger angst and chance of passenger disturbances on the branch trains?   The JourneyCheck wording written from an operational rather than from a passenger journey viewpoint?

You’re saying it would have been more sensible to write “We apologise, but this will increase the likelihood of a passenger disturbance on branch line trains, but your train might well be quieter.” 


"The trains on the branches will be running at normal times, but connections may not be made so you may have to wait for the next train?


That would be a more customer centric approach, perhaps with a suggestion to consider other means of getting to the stations in question to pick up the branch lines with links to local bus timetables, car parking information etc.......but that would require a customer centric culture........and this is the railway.

Re: "Off on my travels again"
In "The Lighter Side" [362928/30432/30]
Posted by grahame at 15:20, 4th July 2025
 
Google maps indicates around 4 direct well spaced out TGV services to Paris per day taking around 3 and a half hours, the first before eight, the last one at 6:55pm arriving Montparnasse at around 10:20pm.

Mark

07:54 and every 3 hours to 16:53 then 18:55.   Out from Paris,  trains have around 45 minutes to turn around, first train of the day originates from Le Croiset - in the yard overnight?  Last one end there and presumably forms the first service in the morning.  Local trains to Nantes run most hours, with some gaps in the hours there's a Paris express. 

For a journey of just under 4 hours, a train every 4 hours would be my "rule of thumb" sensible minimum for the all-the-way traffic, so it's about right in frequency.  I suspect the loading does not require more - that's the other  factor in putting on more trains.  Extra trains run from Nantes to Paris, combed in with the through trains from Le Croisic, to make what is pretty close to a train every hour.

It all appears to make sense.


Re: "Off on my travels again"
In "The Lighter Side" [362927/30432/30]
Posted by Mark A at 13:36, 4th July 2025
 
Google maps indicates around 4 direct well spaced out TGV services to Paris per day taking around 3 and a half hours, the first before eight, the last one at 6:55pm arriving Montparnasse at around 10:20pm.

Mark

Re: "Off on my travels again"
In "The Lighter Side" [362926/30432/30]
Posted by Mark A at 13:21, 4th July 2025
 
A good example of the French practice of putting in OHLE for the entire layout of a particular station, that.

Mark

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362925/29650/26]
Posted by grahame at 11:46, 4th July 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen, IndustryInsider
 
Oh yes it does - won't it reduce the loadings by having people miss connections, and increase the passenger angst and chance of passenger disturbances on the branch trains?   The JourneyCheck wording written from an operational rather than from a passenger journey viewpoint?

You’re saying it would have been more sensible to write “We apologise, but this will increase the likelihood of a passenger disturbance on branch line trains, but your train might well be quieter.” 

"The trains on the branches will be running at normal times, but connections may not be made so you may have to wait for the next train?

Re: Welfare Reform bill protest at Liverpool Lime Street - July 2025
In "Across the West" [362924/30430/26]
Posted by Phantom at 10:36, 4th July 2025
Already liked by IndustryInsider, Mark A, grahame, eightonedee, Phil, Western Pathfinder, Timmer
 
(Note: The following contains personal experience...)

My emphasises.

I'll take that final sentence as a question, Phantom. No expertise beyond my own dealings with the DWP and its handsomely rewarded, but poorly performing, contractors. No expertise beyond studying up on all the legislation, reading the Decision Makers Guidance and Health Professional's Guidance. I have the Welfare Reform Act 2012 and the Social Security Act 1998 bookmarked in my browser. No expertise beyond reading case law. No expertise beyond helping several other people navigate the PIP claims and assessment process. No expertise beyond helping someone else successfully appeal at tribunal where, but for Covid, I would have appeared as a McKenzie Friend. No expertise beyond contributing and discussing my experiences with those involved in Upper Tier Tribunals and judicial reviews for PIP. No expertise beyond my OWN lived experiences.

Am I an expert? Far from it. But I do have some expertise borne from lived experience of being in the 'system'. All that said I continue to dread my next reassessment. It's a soul destroying, demoralising, dehumanising process that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.






Thank you for you honesty and openess in this thread, as someone who has worked for the DWP, a contractor, and welfare side of benefits I can see it from all angles
Also as my Parkinson's and other MH conditions get worse, I can resonate, appreciate and respect your feelings in the last paragraph

I think we can draw a line under this now, we have both said all that needed saying

On a personal note if you ever get any problems in the future, you are more than welcome to PM me

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362921/29650/26]
Posted by bobm at 10:00, 4th July 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Particularly disruptive missing Twyford, given it is Henley Royal Regatta this week.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362920/18719/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:56, 4th July 2025
 
In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

A joint communication from the Unions/GWR on 2nd July rather contradicts that:

“Further progress has been made at this week's 7-day railway talks. By early August, we aim to be in a position to approach the DfT seeking authorisation to proceed with the consultation phase. If received, we will arrange depot visits to listen to drivers' views about the package that is being developed.”

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362919/29650/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:50, 4th July 2025
 
Oh yes it does - won't it reduce the loadings by having people miss connections, and increase the passenger angst and chance of passenger disturbances on the branch trains?   The JourneyCheck wording written from an operational rather than from a passenger journey viewpoint?

You’re saying it would have been more sensible to write “We apologise, but this will increase the likelihood of a passenger disturbance on branch line trains, but your train might well be quieter.” 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362918/29650/26]
Posted by grahame at 08:26, 4th July 2025
Already liked by Andy E
 


The majority of our services between Reading and London Paddington will not be able to call at Twyford, Maidenhead or Slough. Please see details on alternative services below. Please note, this does not affect our Henley, Marlow or Windsor branch line services.

Oh yes it does - won't it reduce the loadings by having people miss connections, and increase the passenger angst and chance of passenger disturbances on the branch trains?   The JourneyCheck wording written from an operational rather than from a passenger journey viewpoint?

Edit to correct quoting

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362917/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:33, 4th July 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to engineering works not being finished on time between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:10 04/07.

Customer Advice
Due to engineering works not being finished in time, the line between London Paddington to Reading will be delayed; altered or cancelled.
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Rail replacement services are not in operation

Delays/cancellations now until 0830

The majority of our services between Reading and London Paddington will not be able to call at Twyford, Maidenhead or Slough. Please see details on alternative services below. Please note, this does not affect our Henley, Marlow or Windsor branch line services.
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Our high speed long distance trains that only run between Oxford and London Paddington will not run. Our high speed long distance trains between Worcester and London Paddington will still run which means Oxford will see an hourly service to / from London Paddington.
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If you're travelling to or from Twyford, Maidenhead or Slough, you will need to use Elizabeth Line services. Please note, Elizabeth Line services are also affected by this problem. For more information regarding Elizabeth Line services, please visit www.tfl.gov.uk. Your GWR tickets are being accepted on this route at no extra cost.
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Re: "Off on my travels again"
In "The Lighter Side" [362915/30432/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:37, 4th July 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
For those of you wondering ... upper picture is Nantes and lower picture is Le Croisic. 

From my more specialised Interrail group post ...

"Should I spend 5, 60 or 180 minutes here?" when I arrived ... I have ended up spending the full three hours in a gem on the Bay of Biscay.

It was 08:52, in our hotel room, that I was looking into a trip out by train today ... and up popped the 09:04 option.  Scramble!  I am used to quickly throwing my things together but that was even quicker than usual, and being in a hotel just across the road from the station in Angers helped. Made it!

Change at Nantes ... huge crowds, signal failure flagged up, queues of people at enquiries / reservations - and my 20 minute change for Le Croisic was showing up as "delayed 20 minutes".  The incoming train was late from Le Croisic, lots of people piled out and it refilled (yes, filled, at least 4 carriages) before we headed off.
   
The line is like so many ones that are local or regional to a big city - full at Nantes but then more people got off that on - many more off at some stations - and there were about 20 of us - plus a school party that must have been about 30 more - when we reached the terminus.

Le Croisic is the end of the line - I couldn't go further - with the harbour and a headland (and town) ahead, and across to the left are the beaches and cliffs of the Bay of Biscay.  As ever, far too many thngs to photograph and I will add just five images.











A couple of extra pictures .... even at a remote outpost like this, daily express to Paris (Newquay to London anyone) and ... and a bus stop - well, I think it was a bus stop, with no signage what so ever - no clue as to if and when a bus might come, or where it would go.   I did see a bus at the station when I arrived ... and I like the metal thing which is a stand to which people can lock their cycles when headed out on the bus.






Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362914/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:49, 4th July 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to engineering works not being finished on time between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:10 04/07.

Customer Advice
Due to engineering works not being finished in time, the line between London Paddington to Reading will be delayed; altered or cancelled.
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Rail replacement services are not in operation

Re: Devon and Cornwall resignalling
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362911/25152/25]
Posted by RailCornwall at 21:44, 3rd July 2025
 
I note that virtually all the now replaced equipment boxes are still in place around the network decorated with graffitied X's sprayed onto them and looking grim. Is there anything planned to clean up and remove this kit, or will it be left to decay over the next century and beyond?

Re: "Off on my travels again"
In "The Lighter Side" [362909/30432/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:32, 3rd July 2025
 
With full expectation that one member in particular will know exactly where I was when I took these pictures - the first arriving (late) to form our service and the second at the end of the line ... it had turned around and left back quickly by the time I took the photo.
Another station I've not visited since it was done up, though more recent. While being built, it looked distinctly Readingesque - does it strike you that way? Or perhaps like Reading would be with an indoor upstairs forest.

There's a subway too ... and I didn't go up onto the transfer deck. On my return I had around 20 minutes which was long enough (just) to queue for reservations (which feel like a surcharge - I am now 40 euros poorer) for one of our train tomorrow.

 
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