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Re: "Long Products"... Steel Rail.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362385/30070/51]
Posted by broadgage at 06:37, 17th June 2025
 
It has recently been announced that British steel have won a five year contract to supply rails to network rail.
Good news in my view.

Re: Last minute at "fill my seat" prices on Eurostar
In "Fare's Fair" [362384/30260/4]
Posted by grahame at 04:58, 17th June 2025
 
I booked "snap" about a week ago for the start of my second Interrail trip - £45 for yesterday with a departure "between 13:00 and 19:34" from London to Brussels.  Easy online booking system, and I was informed 48 hours (and a few minutes) before the journey that I was in coach 4, seat 27 of the 19:34 departure - last train of the day, which is the train I had made an educate guess that I would be put on.   Ticket printed out and worked the gates easily ... seat was of course a rear-facing aisle seat with company that included a toddler-on-lap who was not used to others around him and a mother fighting for a degree of control.   But that's rather part of a Eurostar experience than a snap one.   Other company around the table in the few quiet seconds told me how glad she is that snap is back, and that it's almost always the very first or very last train.

Re: 'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362383/30371/5]
Posted by grahame at 04:49, 17th June 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
There are a number of others .... I think we had a post or two about the donkeys in Santorini carrying people up the hill with 500 steps (and I read that the tourist trade has been decimated by the earth's activity.  And wasn't there a thread on Paternosters?   Both of which illustrate the sense in keeping a general board rather than excessive splitting.

I recall a journey some few weeks ago where an individual leg involved a mobility scooter, trains, a bus, a ferry and a car and the total journey should be posted .... where ... ?

Re: Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362381/30358/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:43, 16th June 2025
 
Lulu is actually a very lively dog - despite her 'posing', just for that photo.

Re: 'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362380/30371/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:32, 16th June 2025
 
... and Greyhounds. 

Re: 'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362379/30371/5]
Posted by JayMac at 23:20, 16th June 2025
 
Don't forget hot air balloons and dirigibles. And if we're including bulbous air/gas filled means of transport then space hoppers too.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362376/29177/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:37, 16th June 2025
 
This has implications for the infrastructure of our railways, so I'm posting it here - from the BBC:

First heatwave of 2025 likely as temperatures to surge above 30c

Temperatures are set to soar to more than 30C (86F) this week as an area of high pressure builds across the UK.

It will become increasingly hot later this week and by the weekend some places could easily beat the highest temperature recorded so far this year - 29.4C (85F) in Suffolk on 13 June.

For a heatwave to be declared by the Met Office we need to reach a threshold temperature for at least three consecutive days, and that varies from 25C across the north and west of the UK, to 28C in parts of eastern England. Whilst we have seen temperatures exceeding these figures in recent weeks, the warm spells have not been long enough to qualify as a heatwave - but that could be about to change.



The warm weather will be concentrated across East Anglia and south-east England on Monday and Tuesday before spreading across the Midlands, east Wales and north England by the weekend.

On Monday we are likely to reach 26C, by Wednesday the heat becomes much more widespread with highs of 28C, and by the weekend the hot spots surge somewhere between 30 and 33C. Meanwhile, it will become warmer in Northern Ireland and Scotland later in the week, but it will be more comfortable here with temperatures mostly in the low 20s.



By Sunday things become more uncertain and we may see fresher air move in from the Atlantic with a risk of thundery downpours. However, some forecast models keep the heat for longer, especially in East Anglia and south-east England with temperatures continuing to stay above the 30C mark.

Heatwaves are becoming more common due to climate change, with a greater chance of seeing extreme heat.

They can cause problems for our infrastructure, such as trains running at reduced speeds due to the risk of train tracks expanding and buckling in the heat.

We also see more heat-related health problems which can lead to an increase in excess deaths in those with underlying health conditions.

Heat-health alerts are issued to warn health providers of the risk of a heat causing adverse impacts to the health and wellbeing of the population.


My highlighting. CfN.


Re: Cholsey and Wallingford Railway - between Didcot Parkway and Reading
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362373/2888/47]
Posted by bobm at 21:49, 16th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
As part of the Railway 200 commemorations the Cholsey & Wallingford Railway are running an intensive service over the former GWR branch later this week. 

https://www.cholsey-wallingford-railway.com/events/wallingford-railway-week/

Re: 'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362372/30371/5]
Posted by grahame at 21:05, 16th June 2025
 
Do we need an aircraft board as well as a bus board - coz there was an emergency that closed the airport today too. And what about all the other emergency landings that the media are covering these days?

Well - it's labelled "and other ways to travel" already - do we have a risk if we start splitting it down of ending up with more boards with less activity on each of them?   Do we consider renaming this board "Other ways to travel including buses and aircraft" and that then includes cars, ferries, taxis, cycling, mobility aids, lifts, spaceships and horses.

Re: 'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362371/30371/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:48, 16th June 2025
 
Do we need an aircraft board as well as a bus board - coz there was an emergency that closed the airport today too. And what about all the other emergency landings that the media are covering these days?

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362370/30357/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:44, 16th June 2025
 
TfL is having it's budget held back too by the Government - it's not TfL's fault, per se

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362369/30350/52]
Posted by JayMac at 20:39, 16th June 2025
Already liked by MVR S&T, Timmer, GBM
 
There are several recent developments in CVR and FDR capabilities and more coming in the next few years.

Civil aviation governing bodies such as ICAO, the FAA and EASA have mandated 25 hour continuous recording capability for all new civilian passenger aircraft with a MTOW over 27,000kg and built after Jan 1st 2021. The current rules only require 2 hours of recording. The FAA are mandating that existing US registered aircraft must be retrofiitted by 2030 to have 25hr capable CVRs.

There are flight data recorders now available that can record far more data for much longer periods than is currently mandated. Testing of FDRs than can continuously downlink their data in real-time is also underway. It won't be long before such technology is mature enough for governing bodies to mandate it's use.

There will come a time, in the not too distant future, when accident investigators won't need to find, recover and extract data from, physical 'black boxes'.

More abbreviations for you CfN:

ICAO - International Civil Aviation Organisation
EASA - European Union Aviation Safety Agency
FAA - Federal Aviation Administration

and if you really want...

MTOW - Maximum Take Off Weight. 

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362367/30361/51]
Posted by broadgage at 19:30, 16th June 2025
 
Perhaps a suitably trained Alsatian dog could operate the train ?












Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362365/30350/52]
Posted by MVR S&T at 17:55, 16th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
I used to build and test the CVR,FDR and the Quick Access Recorder (QAR) The QAR data was really useful for the BA Heathrow crash of a 777, as it goes into more detail than the other recorders, but is not crash protected as such.

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362364/30350/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:28, 16th June 2025
 
Indeed ... this is a balancing act for the moderator / admin team. At the very raw and early point I think it's right not to wildly speculate, but yet as evidence comes out and is discussed in the specialist press and by experts, we can and should move towards reflecting on that evidence.

Thanks, grahame.

In the meantime, I've added a couple more acronyms to our Abbreviations page, to hopefully help with such clarity in the future.

CfN.

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362363/30361/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:15, 16th June 2025
 
Shows a pretty shocking level of entitlement and lack of managerial oversight though doesn't it? If he's breaching the rules like that, what else is he not doing properly? Definitely adds to the argument for installing platform edge doors and automating the lot.

Drivers are all adults and are fully aware of their responsibilities.



I think the actions of the gentleman watching TV and getting creative with the knitting needles in the article pretty effectively rebuts that assertion - awareness of responsibilities is not the same as observing them - however I am sure the overwhelming majority of drivers are as responsible as you suggest.

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362362/30350/52]
Posted by grahame at 15:53, 16th June 2025
 
I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.

Indeed ... this is balancing act for the moderator / admin team. At the very raw and early point I think it's right not to wildly speculate, but yet as evidence comes out and is discussed in the specialist press and by experts, we can and should move towards reflecting on that evidence.

I can give you no timescale for the redirection, but in the first hours it's disrespectful to those involved to get too involved with "how did that happen" and yet in the longer term it would be disrespectful to their memories to not do our very best to learn lessons so that it may never happen again.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362361/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 15:52, 16th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
I just caught the 205 from Paddington - a lovely new stop above the Elizabeth Line platforms, though it does lack Real Time Information.  It was around 14:35.   Amongst the people who got on there and at the following 2 stop were
* A gent helped with a stick
* A lady with a pram and a baby in it
* Two people wearing facemarks
* Three groups with heavy luggage
* A lady with a wheelie cart an a limp
* A lady with a big pack and what looked like two guitars in cases
I asked the driver about a direct but to Kings Cross next week and he confirmed what I had understood - that there won't be one and I should take the 27 and change after Baker Street.

I sat where I could watch where people were going. Of the 8 people / groups, just two got off before the 27 and 205 routes diverge at the top of Tottenham Court Road.  So that was six through groups whom I would classify as in need of an extra help.  Not all disabilities are visible.  I note another old boy getting off at Kings' Cross and really struggling; in hindsight I'm pretty sure he joined at Paddington.

Now I was also struck by a very large flow on and off the bus of fit local traffic, much of which seemed to be for incredibly short journeys.

Probably too late to do anything that may influence the future of the service.  The first and last bus time sheet has already gone for the 205 at the Paddington stop with a poster describing the changes in as positive light as they can.

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362360/30350/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:37, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Investigators find cockpit voice recorder from crashed Air India flight



Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) from the crashed Air India flight, a key step in uncovering what caused last week's deadly accident.

The London-bound Air India aircraft, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed soon after taking off on Thursday from the western Indian city of Ahmedabad. At least 270 people have been killed, most of them passengers.

The CVR captures audio from the cockpit, including pilot conversations, alarms and ambient sounds. The flight data recorder (FDR), which logs crucial flight parameters like altitude, speed and engine performance, had been recovered from the debris on Friday.

Both the CVR and FDR collectively form what is commonly known as the "black box" of a plane. It is a vital tool in air crash investigations, helping experts reconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident. The black box, unlike the name suggests, is actually two bright orange devices - one for the CVR and the other for the FDR - painted with reflective strips for easier recovery after a crash. Both these devices are designed to survive a crash.

India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) is leading the inquiry into the cause of the crash, helped by teams from the US and the UK.

On Sunday, officials from the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) surveyed the site of the plane crash.

"The AAIB has launched a detailed investigation, and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is conducting a parallel probe under international protocols, since the aircraft is American-made," a statement released on Sunday said.

Indian media outlets have reported, citing sources, that officials from Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) - the US aviation safety agency - also visited the site.

Separately, a high-level committee set up by the Indian government to examine the reasons behind the crash is expected to hold its first meeting on Monday. The committee will submit a preliminary report within three months, the All India Radio said, and will propose new standard operating procedures (SOPs) to help prevent similar incidents in future.

As the investigation continues, families on the ground are still grappling with disbelief and trauma. Less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad's Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport, the AI171 flight crashed into a doctors' accommodation building at the BJ Medical College and Civil Hospital.

All but one of the 242 passengers and crew members were killed. Officials have also been trying to establish how many people were killed on the ground and continuing the slow process of matching DNA samples to confirm the victims' identities. Over the weekend, doctors said 270 bodies had been recovered from the site of the crash.

More than 90 victims have been identified, external through DNA matching, Dr Rajnish Patel of Ahmedabad's Civil Hospital said on Monday. He added that 47 of the identified bodies have been sent to their families.

Among the identified victims is Vijay Rupani, the former chief minister of Gujarat, whose funeral will be held on Monday. Rupani, whose political career spanned more than 50 years, will be laid to rest with full state honours in Rajkot city.

For many other families, the agonising wait continues. Officials told the BBC that the identification process has been slow and painstaking, as many of the bodies were badly burned in the crash and are being processed in small batches.

Mistry Jignesh, waiting outside the hospital for updates on his niece, told the BBC on Saturday that officials told him that it might take longer for them to hand over his niece's remains as the search for bodies is still ongoing. He had earlier been told that the body would be handed over by Sunday, after the 72 hours it normally takes to complete DNA matching. "When people are still missing, how can they complete the DNA process by tomorrow? What if my niece's remains haven't even been found? The wait is killing us," he said.


That's my highlighting - purely to emphasise their importance in facilitating an assessment of what actually happened in this very sad event.

CfN.

'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362359/30371/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:11, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



A UK-bound plane was forced to make an emergency landing after passengers reported a smoke smell mid-flight.

The EasyJet service from Paphos, Cyprus, to Bristol on Saturday evening had to divert to Izmir in Turkey as a result of a technical issue, a company spokesperson said. They confirmed the flight, which had 169 customers and six crew on board, was met by emergency services after landing as a "precautionary" measure.

"All passengers disembarked as normal," the spokesperson added, explaining that those on board were provided with meals and hotel accommodation "where required". "The safety of our customers and crew is EasyJet's highest priority and EasyJet operates its fleet of aircraft in strict compliance with all manufacturers' guidelines," they continued.

Grounded passengers were later taken to Bristol on a replacement flight on Sunday evening.


Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362358/30350/52]
Posted by JayMac at 14:41, 16th June 2025
 
I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.

trespassers on line near Bath this morning
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [362357/30370/10]
Posted by matth1j at 14:23, 16th June 2025
 
Quite a few trains delayed at Bath this morning around 7am - the Bristol Temple Meads service from Westbury(?) I was on was held up for about 25 mins, departing Bath at ~7:35 instead of 7:10. Initially it was reported as 'trespassers on the line', but later that became 'emergency services dealing with an incident', so not sure what was actually happening.

 
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