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Uber brings forward trialling driverless taxis in UK - June 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362127/30343/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:43, 10th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



Uber will trial robotaxis - autonomous cars with no human safety driver at the wheel - in London next spring.

The ride-hailing app will work with the UK artificial intelligence (AI) firm Wayve, which has been testing out the technology on the city's streets with human oversight, in line with current legislation.

The announcement comes after the UK government changed its rules about the driverless cars once again.

It was originally aiming for the tech to come to British roads in 2026, then the date was changed to the second half of 2027. But it now says it is introducing an accelerated framework for small autonomous "bus and taxi like" commercial services to get them underway earlier.

It is not yet clear whether the vehicles in Uber's trial will be available for customers to use - the firm says it is still working out the details. It has previously said it intends to add them as a regular option via its UK app as soon as legislation allows.

The Department for Transport says the industry could create 38,000 jobs and add £42bn to the UK economy by 2035.

But speaking to the BBC last month, GMB national secretary Andy Prendergast said the "significant social implications" driverless cars and taxis could have - including on unemployment - should also be fully considered.

Uber launched a robotaxi service in Austin, Texas in March and said its driverless vehicles could work for 20 hours per day, seven days per week. Customers there can choose whether to take a robotaxi if there is one available, with no difference in fare. Tesla is planning to launch a rival service in the same city in June.

Fully driverless cars have done millions of miles on public roads in other countries too, including China, UAE and Singapore, but whether they are more or less safe than human-driven ones is still being investigated.

Numerous studies suggest automated vehicles are less accident-prone than human drivers, based on US data. But there have been a number of incidents involving robotaxis in the countries where they operate, ranging from road accidents to passengers being locked in. And one service in San Francisco was cancelled after a series of malfunctions.

In May I took a ride in a car fitted out with Wayve's autonomous kit across central London. We had a human safety driver at the wheel but he did not have to use the controls once during our 30 minute journey. The car handled every potential hazard which appeared in the busy streets including congestion, temporary traffic lights, cyclists and, at one point, a pedestrian using crutches in the middle of the road.

The Ford Mach-e was fitted with sensors and a radar, and an AI-powered system controlled the vehicle's responses in real time. If anything it was a lot more cautious than a human driver, which made for a reassuringly uneventful trip.



Re: Bus fare cap - ongoing issue, merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362124/26638/5]
Posted by JayMac at 20:48, 10th June 2025
Already liked by RichardB
 
According to The Mirror, the Chancellor Rachel Reeves will be announcing that the bus fare cap, currently at £3 for a single journey, will remain in place until March 2027.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bus-users-protected-price-hikes-35368949


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362122/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:41, 10th June 2025
 
15:23 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:47 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It has been delayed between Reading and Kingham and is now 20 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 17:19

18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 17:19

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [362121/30318/40]
Posted by johnneyw at 17:36, 10th June 2025
Already liked by Red Squirrel
 

As with Red Squirrel, I hope tram-train is not ruled out.


I see that Bristol Rail Campaign were able to make the case for Tram Trains in this Bristol 24/7 article.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/tram-trains-could-provide-central-loop-temple-meads-city-centre/

Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362120/19893/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:13, 10th June 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

'Impossible' to get driving tests, say learners

Learner drivers in the West say they are resorting to using expensive cancellation websites in a desperate attempt to book their tests.

With the official routes for booking tests oversubscribed, the BBC has been told that companies are block-booking appointments and selling them on to people unable to find a spot.

Daisy Bodkin, 24, from Cheltenham, said it was "impossible" to get a test through the official Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) website, and she and many of her peers had turned to the private apps as a last resort.

Loveday Ryder, DVSA chief executive, said the organisation had been working "tirelessly" to address the issues and reduce driving test waiting times.

These unofficial companies will use the applicants' driving licence number to reserve a bulk amount of test appointments until they can resell them at a higher price. The license number will then be changed to match the buyers'.

Using these sites is what allows automated bots to exploit the driving test booking service, by getting users to provide the necessary details the companies need to hold the slots. This leaves those who are ready to take their test struggling to find one at a date and time of their choice.

Nearly 27,000 people responded to a call for evidence from the DVSA between December and February. Of those, 93.1% said they had struggled with a lack of suitable test appointment slots.

Ms Bodkin, who recently finished university and works as a freelance journalist for the BBC, said she had booked a test in October 2024 for March 2025, but had failed. "I waited until I felt like I was ready to book a test, which I think was probably not the right thing to do - I should have booked it ages ago," she said.

With the end of her university in sight she put rebooking her test "on the back burner", only to find later that there were no tests available through the DVSA in Cheltenham or Gloucester until 2026. "Everyone is recommending the apps, which I know is the thing that is causing all the issues, but also I don't really want to be left behind when everyone is doing it," she added.

With booking tests on the DVSA website "impossible", she said, her and her peers have been left "constantly checking" the apps for cancellations. The pressure of knowing another test would likely be a long way off if she failed "definitely added" to her nerves, Ms Bodkin said.

Russell Marchant, who runs Bubble Driving School in Somerset, said many learners will cancel lessons to save money while they wait for their test. But this risks them forgetting what they have learnt and feeling unprepared when the time finally comes, he added. "As soon as someone starts in the car, as soon as they've passed their theory, we encourage them to try and get a test booked because we know it's going to be six months down the line."

Mr Merchant blames the Covid-19 pandemic for the mounting backlog, as postponed tests were continually added to the waiting list. "[there were] Four lockdowns and in all of them the DVSA were not testing," he explained. "That caused a lot of instructors to find other jobs. We had examiners leave the industry and not come back."

However, Ms Ryder told the BBC the DVSA had been "making good progress" on a plan to bring down waiting times, which was announced in December 2024. "[Our] goal is to make booking a driving test easier and fairer for everyone while preventing excessive charges for learner drivers," she added.



Re: Campaign for Tavistock reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362119/804/28]
Posted by RichardB at 14:06, 10th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Timmer, Mark A
 
Last night's BBC Spotlight started with a long piece on the Tavistock reopening proposals which included a visit to Okehampton to hear about the effect of the Dartmoor Line on the town.  If you're quick, you can still catch it here  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006pfr1/spotlight

There's an accompanying piece on the BBC News website  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewd820k1pzo

Fingers crossed for tomorrow's Spending Review announcement......



Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362118/30338/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:42, 10th June 2025
 
There were: I've now merged them, here. 


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362117/29650/26]
Posted by charles_uk at 11:33, 10th June 2025
 
Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough
Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Slough some lines will be blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:45 10/06.

Doesn't seem to be causing significant issues at the moment but the disruption until guestimate has been extended from 11:15 to 13:45 so far...

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362116/30338/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:15, 10th June 2025
 
There are two threads running on this

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30341.new#new

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362115/30338/5]
Posted by Noggin at 10:43, 10th June 2025
 
Press release at https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/news/kids-go-free-on-the-wests-buses/

"The school holidays are due to start on 19 July. The proposed free travel offer would run from then until 5 September (to cover varying INSET days) across the West of England and North Somerset during the same period on all registered commercial and supported bus services starting in those areas, with limited exemptions to be set out in due course on the Travelwest website – e.g. for airport services."

"The proposed package is set to be funded using some of the £13.5 million of Bus Grant funding secured from the Department for Transport by the West of England Mayoral Combined Authority."

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362114/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:16, 10th June 2025
 
08:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 11:14 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 06:44


11:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 14:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 06:45

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
In "The Lighter Side" [362112/11558/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:42, 10th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Witham Bobby, RichardB

Re: Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362111/30340/49]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:34, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

I have ... wondered at times ... why a village like Coldstream needs its own special guards ... but I digress!

Perhaps it's time for the Melksham militia?

Re: Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362110/30340/49]
Posted by grahame at 07:17, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

I have ... wondered at times ... why a village like Coldstream needs its own special guards ... but I digress!

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362109/30338/5]
Posted by infoman at 07:11, 10th June 2025
 
announced by WECA on the local news for the area controlled by WECA.

There are 150,000 children in the WECA area.

Not sure if their are time restrictions on the offer

Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362108/30340/49]
Posted by infoman at 07:05, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362106/30338/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:50, 10th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Children under the age of 16 are to be offered free bus travel across the summer.

It is expected to benefit up to 150,000 children living in Bristol, South Gloucestershire, North Somerset, and Bath and North East Somerset.

The offer, backed by the West of England Combined Authority and funded through a £13.5m government transport grant, will run from 19 July to 5 September. Bus travel for children aged from five to 15 is currently capped at £1 per journey.

The new regional mayor, Labour's Helen Godwin, said she wanted families to have "something to look forward to" in the summer. The move was backed by Bristol's Green council.

Mrs Godwin launched the initiative at a play park in Hengrove, describing it as a much-needed boost for families facing mounting living costs. "We really want all families across the West of England to have something to look forward to this summer," she said. "Hopefully this will feel like a bit of a help."

The mother of three highlighted the burden transport costs place on families. "If my husband and three kids wanted to go and do something, you're talking about over £15 for us to go out. It's quite a lot of money."

The initiative is designed to help children visit friends, explore local attractions, and access free summer events.

Kate Marsh, the head teacher of Perry Court E-ACT Academy, said the offer would be "fantastic" for families who rely on buses. "It opens up a lot more options to them - visiting parks, family, museums and seeing friends… This will help with mental wellbeing as well as a benefit for their education."

The scheme, which still requires final approval, builds on a wider push to boost public transport use. It follows a recent birthday-month free bus pass scheme for all West of England residents.

Bristol City Council leader and Green Party councillor Tony Dyer said the plan would reduce barriers for young people seeking out opportunities. "We fully support this initiative… With so many events and activities happening across Bristol this summer, this will help make accessing them much easier."

The free travel scheme will apply to most local services, though some, such as airport routes, will be exempt.



Cross Country Voyager refurbs / the cycle view
In "Cross Country services" [362105/30337/43]
Posted by grahame at 06:29, 10th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
26th May, to West Wiltshire Rail User Group and worth a share in answer to a request to do somewhat better for cycles on Cross Country Trains

We will not be able to make any material difference to the way cycles can be stored on our Voyagers. Although the work taking place is extensive, to make changes to the provision for cycles would have required structural modifications to the train interiors, which would have significantly increased the scope and cost of the refurbishment. I do recognise that some people can find the existing arrangement difficult. I am certain that if asked our onboard teams would be happy to help, or [customer name] could request support through the Travel Assistance service and a link is available on our website.

While we won’t be able to change things for our cycling passengers, I can confirm that the work will include the replacement of all current passenger seating. These will be replaced with new seats to hopefully provide a more comfortable experience for our long distance users.

Kind regards

Richard Gibson

I am far from as certain as Richard in that colleagues on board are always as helpful as he suggests. The correspondence which generated this more general reply related to experiences with less than helpful staff and that's not a unique experience/perception. 

I am minded of how different it could be.  Waiting in Klaipeda (as one does) for th Vilnius train, the single carriage commuter train from Silute pulled in and there must have been a dozen bicycles coming off that in addition to a flow of passengers that seemed astonishingly endless.  Crew and others on the train cheerfully handing cycles down from the relatively high train to the low outer platform - with the cycles then wheeled across the barrow crossing to exit the station.

Re: Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362104/30336/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:12, 10th June 2025
 
... There is no taxi rank at either, but cabs can be booked by phone ...

I am - err - quite familiar with Melksham but not so much with Nailsea. Can you always phone and get a cab?

Yes, we (in Melksham) do and occasionally can call a taxi, but there is no central booking point and we are sometimes left calling around a series of different small operators (of which there are at least half a dozen) looking for someone available when and where we want to go.  There's no Uber in Wiltshire and indeed I suspect the current operators would not welcome such a service, but all the cabs have their regular contracts to and from education in particular, and cabbies have their days off too and other bookings.    We - living in Melksham - always have a "plan B" - and the taxi becomes a convenience and never a necessity.

Re: Skip-stopping to catch up
In "Across the West" [362103/30329/26]
Posted by grahame at 05:21, 10th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Witham Bobby
 
That's probably a text book example of where removing stops is an excellent idea. 

[snip]

I have seen other examples where it has been completely pointless. 

[snip]

It's a bit of a guessing game.

Indeed - and I was guessing yesterday as the results unfolded, with both JourneyCheck and RealTimeTrains guessing in their own ways too.   Best you can say sometimes is "at least they tried" and hindsight is always wonderful where it doesn't work out.

Over the last few months I've had a couple of non-stop CDF-SWA journeys ... One of them worked well. Other departures held back at CDF. Something looped along the way. Significant time recovered.

Skip-stopping can be a good idea, although passengers aren't too keen on seeing the big picture

Totally agreed, and that is the bane of the public transport operator's dilemma.   Not just with issues of sacrifices / changes made - such as running short and skip-stopping when things go wrong, but also with regard to other longer term provisions.  I have often wondered why people who make the choices / decisions actually listen to me from time to time when others say that getting even a reply from some of those decision makers is hard, and one of the reasons I have come upon with is that I see and acknowledge a far bigger picture than most.  There's a whole topic there for "later".

The communication of what's happening can indeed eat into the gains that would be made with skip-stopping (and short running)  and only so much can be done with the tools at hand, some of which leave much to be desired.  It's been the same in Germany and in Poland - not unique to the UK.

But skip-stopping, running short, cancelling a round trip on shorter lines on the day are all just sticking plasters covering up when things aren't working as they should - and the real answer lies in having far fewer incidents which necessitate these last-minute changes to the discomfort of the customer.
* Having enough suitable staff available
* Having enough working trains available and not have them fail along the way
* Having infrastructure maintained so that it doesn't fail / lead to emergency restrictions
* Having people not chuck themselves in front of trains
The effects of these are cumulative and they sometimes interact.  I could add "and enough infrastructure to cope" - one of the reasons that we have so many incidents / issues is that we have a far more intense service than in the past so there are many more things to go wrong.  And here on the Coffee Shop and at other online locations, we know about them these days whereas in the past the news/data wasn't available to us ...

Re: Skip-stopping to catch up
In "Across the West" [362102/30329/26]
Posted by Hafren at 23:56, 9th June 2025
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Over the last few months I've had a couple of non-stop CDF-SWA journeys....

One of them worked well. Other departures held back at CDF. Something looped along the way. Significant time recovered.

The other time there was this stopper in front. I wondered if it would be looped at Tremains, when it was still not causing any hold-up. It wasn't. By Pyle the signal checks were starting. I thought it would be reasonable to loop it at Stormy; it's not unusual, even when the IET isn't skip-stopping. It didn't happen. The last opportunity was to overtake at Port Talbot. It didn't happen. The non-stop run became a multi-stop run. I did wonder if the ARS routed things before the signaller could prevent it, but I have no idea which locations on that route are covered by ARS, and I would have thought in that case a signaller would have intervened before the third opportunity was lost!

Then there's the communication issue. Skip-stopping can be a good idea, although passengers aren't too keen on seeing the big picture. But if it has to be done, it needs to be communicated clearly. All it takes is dodgy PA here, or a passenger hard of hearing there, and someone isn't in the picture.

A poor example of skip-stopping was on the Valley Lines. Between the stop at Cardiff Central and departing Queen Street, three different patterns had been announced. It was a 150, and the PA wasn't great. Passengers were a bit confused. It really could have done with the guard walking through to check people had understood, or even the guard taking the rear car and platform staff taking the front car (which stopped right by their office) at CDQ.

Then, on a different but related tack, there's the PAD-CMN journey that terminated short at SWA during a very disrupted day not long ago. The first IET I joined at CDF wasn't going anywhere because it was awaiting (presumably displaced) crew. (There may be a lesson on lack of resources for proper resilience somewhere here.) So anyone who didn't want to wait was advised to join another one which came into Platform 1 or 2. From what I overheard a lot of passengers on there had already had a similar swap of trains at Didcot or Swindon, along with a wait and a diversion. So people felt somewhat messed around and weren't in the best mood! It seemed fairly likely to me, based on experience, that it would terminate at SWA. I imagine it had crossed the mind of crew and control as well, to the point that perhaps expectations could have been set (pros and cons there). But nothing was announced; indeed, it was announced that it was the Carmarthen train more than once.

At some point I checked Journeycheck and saw that it was to terminate short. But no change of plan was announced. Finally, on the approach to SWA, when it seemed like things were running more smoothly and there was no further disruption to the journey, the bombshell was dropped. The reaction of nearby passengers, some of whom had children with them who needed to be fed, was somewhat explosive (which I'm sure helped with keeping things calm for said children!). Oh, and a possible connection wasn't held, with the next one not due for some time. As I was leaving I think gateline staff were picking up on the mood.


Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362101/30336/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:06, 9th June 2025
 
I have lived in Nailsea for many years, and I recently had the opportunity to live in Melksham for three weeks.  That gave me the opportunity to make this comparison.

The railway stations serving each town are far from central, but not beyond a good walking distance. There is no taxi rank at either, but cabs can be booked by phone. At Nailsea, there is a connecting bus service at the station, in both directions, with a reasonable service.

Both towns are historic: Nailsea has a claim to fame for coal mining, glass blowing and farming, and Melksham has a claim to fame for Regency spa facilities and a (disused) canal through it - as well as a host of other attractions.

The population of both towns is about 20,000.

(By the way: both towns have a Wetherspoons, and my preference is The Bear in Melksham over The Glassmaker in Nailsea.)

Chris from Nailsea. 


Re: Guest locomotive / running on the wrong lines
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362100/30333/47]
Posted by PhilWakely at 22:04, 9th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer, Andy
 
I appreciate that this topic relates to visiting locomotives on heritage lines, but it is very disappointing to see mainline steam railtours using locomotives from other BR Regions. I know it is down to ownership and where the locos are based, but why use ex-LMS or ex-SR locos on the likes of the Royal Duchy or Torbay Express when there are ex-GWR locomotives available?

A couple of years ago, an 'Atlantic Coast Express' commemoration railtour from London Waterloo to Exeter St David's via Salisbury and Yeovil Junction was hauled by a Black 5, whilst a Merchant Navy was being used on a Settle and Carlisle railtour!

Re: Flight replacement buses.
In "The Lighter Side" [362098/30328/30]
Posted by Timmer at 21:36, 9th June 2025
 
Watched this last night, most interesting. I’d heard about it but didn’t pay much attention to planes being replaced by buses.

It was mentioned during the video that doing short flights with buses instead of planes is going to increase with other airlines starting down this route as well as AA.

 
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