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Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362167/1219/28]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 09:24, 12th June 2025
 
£2.5bn "confirmed" for extension through to Cambridge, apparently: https://bsky.app/profile/oxfordclarion.bsky.social/post/3lrdl3pd6kk24

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362166/19566/47]
Posted by GBM at 09:14, 12th June 2025
 
We're booked on an evening trip, late August, from Penzance to Falmouth, returning by coach.
Looking forward to it.
Spent many years in Dartmouth, so Dartmouth Castle, Kingswear Castle, Totnes Castle were all local paddle steamers.
A daily sight

Re: Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362165/30336/1]
Posted by grahame at 09:14, 12th June 2025
 
Do you have difficulties getting a taxi in the evenings or peak times?

Our bus service makes no sense in terms of frequency.

Familiar story.  For taxis, morning peak is worst because travelling trip starts and and school starts co-incide and there is a time constraint in getting to the public transport.  We have got to the stage we don't even bother to try - I can drive Lisa and the luggage to the station, bring the car home and walk back to the station in 45 minutes. We could do with a cafe at the station on these days.   

We do have a bus stop (Monday to Saturday daytime) outside our house with a bus every 30 minutes to Manvers Street, Bath, opposite the railway station there and it works well.  Coming home, there is no outbound stop on Manvers Street - the bus drives straight past though most other routes will stop - so it's a short walk to the bus station and irritating to pass the bus as you walk (or run in the hope of connecting).  Although the inbound bus is every 30 minutes, the outbound is every 60 as alternate buses do a big one way loop in Melksham and would only get us home just ahead of the next bus.  And, yes, these are trunk routes and often overcrowded; we were in Bath yesterday and it was a squeeze even onto the bus that starts on that loop.

Sundays and evenings - we do have a bus service and much improved last year on Sundays. Just not along our street - shorting walk but may as well be Tipperary or Timbuktu for those without mobility and without aids.

Local bus - whole other story.  It DOES run most hours on a standard circular route and is well patronised on certain runs (and therein lies a problem - everyone want it at the same time, no-one at many other times) and then it does a few varied runs which are there to provide at least some lifeline to those who have no alternative - very much underutilised.  Connections with other buses co-incidental it seems, and it never goes to the station though three of the varied runs call about a five minute walk (with a dangerous road crossing) if you want to use it to access the rail network.  The inbound stop has a shelter but no "flag" after a previous stop was damaged and eventually replaced - the bus driver knows, and the incoming passenger needs to know but rarely does.

Re: Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362164/30336/1]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 07:56, 12th June 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
Do you have difficulties getting a taxi in the evenings or peak times?

Here in Liskeard every taxi driver seems to have a school or college contract so it’s impossible to get one between 0730-0915 and 1445-1600. And then none of them work past 1800 as they’ve worked from early morning for their school contract.
Nearly all are owner drivers, one man band types, which also means calling round 15 different numbers for a cab on occasion.

Our bus service makes no sense in terms of frequency. . 5-6 of the local routes are tendered and run hourly for 1-2 passengers. The busy route to Plymouth, 2 hourly with no subsidy and is known for being full and standing. There is Definitly an opportunity for the council to save some money on subsidy by reducing the tender frequencies.

Re: London to Frankfurt and Geneva - direct trains from Eurostar?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362163/30344/51]
Posted by grahame at 07:02, 12th June 2025
 
Press release from Railfuture:

Railfuture comments on Eurostar announcement. Planning new trains to Germany and Switzerland:

It looks as if Eurostar has finally decided to expand. The Eurostar 50 new trains order has been around for a while but without stated commitment to run from Britain.

The "concentrate in the core, high fares" strategy is fine in the short run if you have no wider economic objectives but it has opened up a plethora of open access proposals.

Perhaps the most significant result is for Eurostar to realise that they are best placed to expand with less barriers to entry than new entrants. The key is to do this fast enough to keep new entrants at bay. The announcement to add new routes from London to Germany and Switzerland is strategically significant in this respect.

Open access has, in this way, already served a purpose without even running a train. In strategic terms this is good. Railfuture welcomes this development but makes it clear that this still leaves scope for more services and more competition, particularly on the existing Paris route and to the largest air market from Britain, after Paris and Amsterdam, i.e. Spain.

Also, sooner or later, someone will realise that there are other cities in Britain that have a huge air market, More people travel from Manchester to Paris than from London to any city in Switzerland.

Railfuture contends that the timing and the economics are right for sustainable rail travel from Britain as is the market appetite.

Railfuture's suggested choice of preferred open access routes.

This is ambitious for obvious reasons against the present situation but far less so in market terms. It also makes the presumption that the current preoccupation with immigration and security will be eased, with new technology and EU technology.

This proposes two strategic stops en route here, Stratford in long haul fast services to take about 30% volume to ease St Pancras, and Ashford for the Kent catchment area with its propensity to travel to Continental Europe.

Stratford or in some case, Lille would largely replace St Pancras as the interchange point from NW England.

Draft list of contenders.

Eurostar's proposals plus;
Paris route competition

    London, Stratford - Paris (fast)
    London, Ashford - Calais, Lille, Paris
    London, Ashford - Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland Paris, Lyon. Delete Lyon, add Tours, Bordeaux
    Manchester, Crewe (Merseyside and North West hub), Rugby(West Midlands hub), Stratford - Lille, Paris (all with long platforms)


South of France and Spain route competition

    London, Stratford- Barcelona, Madrid (fast)
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Avignon, Marseille
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Montpellier, Perpignan, Barcelona. Delete Barcelona, possibly combined to Avignon


Add

    London, Ashford, Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland, LeMans, Nantes, with multiple service stops to provide frequency to CdG and Disneyland.


London, Ashford- Germany route competition

    London, Stratford - Hannover, Berlin (fast)
    London, Stratford - Brussels, Koln, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Zurich, Milan


Belgium, Netherlands route competition

    Manchester, Crewe, Rugby, Stratford - Lille, Antwerp, Rotterdam, Amsterdam


Nord Pas de Calais shuttle in cooperation on fares with SE High Speed and domestic Ashford - Calais, Lille

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Notes to editors:

Railfuture is the UK's leading independent organisation campaigning for better rail services for both passengers and freight.

Railfuture's website can be found at: www.railfuture.org.uk

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362162/30348/1]
Posted by infoman at 01:49, 12th June 2025
 
My memory was the Atlantic conveyor being sunk,

a few years I was talking to a sailor who was heading to the Falklands when the conflict happened.

He then said HMS Bristol was escorting Atlantic conveyor to the Falklands, the Argentineans fired off a rocket towards HMS Bristol

Chaff was launched which saved HMS Bristol,but the rockets find Atlantic conveyor as its next target

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362161/30340/49]
Posted by infoman at 01:40, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
In my opinion I don't there is anything wrong with having the rifles on display,don't think they would have had bullets in them though.

Re: Darwin Award Hopeful?
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362160/30287/49]
Posted by broadgage at 23:53, 11th June 2025
 
As they were presumably still capable of breeding, not eligible for a Darwin award.
To be eligible for a Darwin award, a person must be unable to pass on their obviously defective genes. This may be achieved by death, or less commonly by destroying or removing the breeding equipment.

Possibly an honourable mention instead.

One of my favourite Darwin awards was an American whose car radio ceased to function due to a blown fuse, they used a live rifle round as a substitute. In time the passage of current fired the round, which removed or destroyed the breeding parts.

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362159/30340/49]
Posted by broadgage at 23:37, 11th June 2025
 
I am a bit surprised that troops were allowed to carry rifles at a major station, and on the train.
I appreciate that HM forces presumably have an exemption that permits the carrying of weapons in public, but am surprised that it was done in peacetime.

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362158/30348/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:54, 11th June 2025
 
Thanks for those thoughts, Bob.

My now wife was a Merchant Navy officer on the QE2 when it was requisitioned as a troopship for the Falkland Islands dispute.

The vicar who officiated at our subsequent wedding in Salcombe was the Army Chaplain who buried Colonel H Jones VC, OBE.

Chris. 

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362156/30348/1]
Posted by bobm at 21:38, 11th June 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Western Pathfinder, GBM, Witham Bobby
 
Falklands seems so long ago but provided some of the most vivid memories of my journalistic career.

Seeing the Canberra sailing home up Southampton Water one Sunday morning surrounded by fire tugs.
Interviewing, at her invitation, the widow of Colonel H Jones
Working late into the night the evening the Sheffield went down.

Of course for others the memories are still painful now, both physically and emotionally. 

My thoughts also go to the family of a friend of mine who died hours before the ceasefire.

None of them should be forgotten.



HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362155/30348/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:59, 11th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



Veterans and members of the public have turned out to give a final farewell to a former Royal Navy flagship that played a "vital role" in the Falklands conflict.

HMS Bristol was towed out of Portsmouth Harbour on Wednesday, almost five years after it was decommissioned.

The warship, which was the last ship serving from the Falklands War, is being taken to a Turkish scrapyard.

Chris Howe, from the South Atlantic Medal Association 1982, said the vessel had a "remarkable and unique legacy".

The Type 82 destroyer was commissioned in March 1973 but having been designed to defend a class of aircraft carriers which was never built, it was the only warship of its class to enter service.

The vessel led a group of two destroyers, five frigates and an RFA supply ship providing reinforcements in the Falklands, and later joined the carrier battle task group as an air defence destroyer. In 1987 it became a training ship before an explosion in its boiler led to it being used as a harbour training vessel - until it was decommissioned in October 2020, after almost 48 years of service.

Members of the public and veterans congregated on Old Portsmouth's Round Tower to wave off HMS Bristol, which was visually rust-stained, as it left the Hampshire naval base.

"As HMS Bristol embarks on its final voyage to the scrapyard in Turkey, we pause to reflect on its remarkable and unique legacy," Mr Howe said. "For many veterans, Bristol was more than a vessel - it was a home, a place of camaraderie, and a symbol of resilience. Its departure marks the end of an era, but its contributions to our history and the memories of those who served aboard will endure. We honour all who sailed in her and bid HMS Bristol a respectful farewell."



Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362154/231/28]
Posted by chuffed at 20:50, 11th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Portishead Railway remains in limbo after no mention in spending review
The Chancellor announced funding for rail schemes in the North, the East and West Midlands, and Wales — but the Portishead and Bristol railway was not mentioned

Rachel Reeves’s spending review has passed without a mention of money for the Portishead Railway.

The Chancellor went on a round Britain trip announcing railway schemes in her statement to the House of Commons this afternoon — but one place she did not visit was Portishead. Plans are in the works to reopen the railway between Bristol and the town in 2027 but it needs millions of pounds of funding from the government.

In her statement, Rachel Reeves announced funding for rail schemes in the North, the East and West Midlands, and Wales. She said: “I said we wanted growth in all regions of Britain and I meant it.”

But there was no announcement on whether the funding for the Portishead Railway had made it through the spending review. The West of England Combined Authority is however set to receive £752m of transport funding this parliament under as part of £15.6bn of transport investment across the country announced by the government last week.



£200m of that money will be spent on developing a mass transit to connect Bristol, South Gloucestershire, Bath and North East Somerset, and North Somerset. The rest of the funding will cover improving buses, some road improvements, and £150m on rail improvements including increasing the frequency of suburban services.

But that is understood to be a separate funding stream to the funding for the Portishead Railway. Asked by the Local Democracy Reporting Service last week if she was still confident that the Portishead Railway plans were looking positive, West of England Metro Mayor Helen Godwin said: “Absolutely.”

The project will see new stations built in Portishead and Pill and the line, which closed to passengers in 1964, connecting the town and village to Bristol Temple Meads once again. The line as far as Pill has already been restored — although work would need to be carried out on this stretch of the line to make the track suitable for passenger trains and not just freight.


Re: Six new stations between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel - proposal
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362153/24287/28]
Posted by TonyK at 20:00, 11th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Hmm. 

While I do fully support that 'commitment' to invest substantially in the railway infrastructure in South Wales, it's not all guaranteed.

Rachel Reeves has proposed spending that budget until 2030.  However, Parliaments are limited to five years - so, 5 years on from 4 July 2024, her Government could be out of office by 4 July 2029 (or possibly earlier, depending on developments).

Just saying.   

Best to get the contracts signed and as much spent by 2029 then.

Re: Rail trail proposals in Gloucestershire
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [362152/30345/50]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:35, 11th June 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Richard Fairhurst
 
The second is along the former branch line from Kemble to Cirencester. Designs are being taken forward in two stages, one from Kemble to a new estate on the edge of Cirencester, the other from there into the town centre.
Interesting indeed - what does this do for very light rail proposals from Kemble to Cirencester?
Is there room for both if the VLR is a single track shuttle service or with a passing loop?

I don't think so.

I am a great fan of the historic Kemble to Cirencester Line, but we have to be practical.  That line was, probably, never really financially viable as a railway, and particularly towards the Cirencester end, the trackbed has been chopped and changed.

However, I can see the possibilities for a 'green way' cycle and footpath.  Several overbridges would have to be replaced, and a load of vegetation would have to be pruned - but that could be done.

CfN. 

Re: Bus fare cap - ongoing issue, merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362151/26638/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:57, 11th June 2025
 
Relates to BCR figures not solely determining whether any project would get built....

Re: Six new stations between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel - proposal
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362150/24287/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:31, 11th June 2025
 
Hmm. 

While I do fully support that 'commitment' to invest substantially in the railway infrastructure in South Wales, it's not all guaranteed.

Rachel Reeves has proposed spending that budget until 2030.  However, Parliaments are limited to five years - so, 5 years on from 4 July 2024, her Government could be out of office by 4 July 2029 (or possibly earlier, depending on developments).

Just saying.   

Re: Rail trail proposals in Gloucestershire
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [362149/30345/50]
Posted by johnneyw at 18:30, 11th June 2025
 
Two interesting current proposals for cycle routes/greenways on former GWR lines in Gloucestershire.

[snip]

The second is along the former branch line from Kemble to Cirencester. Designs are being taken forward in two stages, one from Kemble to a new estate on the edge of Cirencester, the other from there into the town centre.

Interesting indeed - what does this do for very light rail proposals from Kemble to Cirencester?

Is there room for both if the VLR is a single track shuttle service or with a passing loop?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362148/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:12, 11th June 2025
 
Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead

Due to a safety inspection of the track between Twyford and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.

Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
A small section of the railway line between Reading and London Paddington is closed whilst Network Rail carry out a safety inspection. GWR can still run trains safely, as other tracks are available for use, but this will lead to some congestion and slower running as trains make their way through.

Re: Rail trail proposals in Gloucestershire
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [362147/30345/50]
Posted by grahame at 18:08, 11th June 2025
 
Two interesting current proposals for cycle routes/greenways on former GWR lines in Gloucestershire.

[snip]

The second is along the former branch line from Kemble to Cirencester. Designs are being taken forward in two stages, one from Kemble to a new estate on the edge of Cirencester, the other from there into the town centre.

Interesting indeed - what does this do for very light rail proposals from Kemble to Cirencester?

Re: Six new stations between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel - proposal
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362146/24287/28]
Posted by grahame at 18:05, 11th June 2025
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14kdvzdjlgo

Chancellor Rachel Reeves used her spending review on Wednesday to announce £445m over 10 years for new rail projects in north and south Wales.

The Treasury has backed plans for five new stations in Cardiff, Newport and Monmouthshire, as well as upgrades in north Wales, with £348m to be spent between 2026 and 2030.

It follows years of complaints of underinvestment in the Welsh railway network.

Re: Daredevils to 'fly' over Bristol harbour in new contest - Sunday 15 June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362145/30347/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:20, 11th June 2025
 
I found it rather amuzing that the harbour masters and Sea Cadets have entered.

Re: Daredevils to 'fly' over Bristol harbour in new contest - Sunday 15 June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362144/30347/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 16:58, 11th June 2025
 
I wonder which has the higher casualty rate: this or the Coppers Hill Cheese-rolling?

Re: Uber brings forward trialling driverless taxis in UK - June 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362143/30343/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:50, 11th June 2025
 
Wouldn't all of that information have to be made available 'online' as part of their driverless taxicab offering? 


Re: Uber brings forward trialling driverless taxis in UK - June 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362142/30343/5]
Posted by GBM at 16:46, 11th June 2025
 
Not sure I would use one. Who is the responsible driver/person if the car malfunctions/crashes (perhaps owing to the fault of the other side too)? Who handles any claims etc?
..........Please provide you insurer details....... Talking vehicles?

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362141/30340/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:45, 11th June 2025
 
Think its because soldiers many years ago were based at Berwick,
due to events happening they re located to Coldstream and were part of Oliver Cromwells army.
Who then marched on London to remove the King.
How times have changed.
If any thing is in correct,please advise.

Well, sort of, though they were if anything on the other side at this time ... though the politics of this period is insanely complicated.

As an amateur historian, I'd agree with you on that one. 

CfN. 

Re: Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362140/30336/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:35, 11th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j, grahame
 
I'm an amateur historian and architecture fan: I found the many various Georgian buildings in Melksham fascinating, together with their local history. Particularly the story of the chap who threw heated copper coins out of the window, during the infamous Melksham riot of 1865:

The Bear was the scene of election riots in 1865. A gentleman throwing heated coins from a first floor window provoked the members of the crowd, who burnt their hands when picking up the coins. The military dispersed the crowd and the inciter made his escape on horseback, later falling off on the Shaw Road.

Chris from Melksham. 

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362139/30340/49]
Posted by stuving at 16:26, 11th June 2025
 
Think its because soldiers many years ago were based at Berwick,
due to events happening they re located to Coldstream and were part of Oliver Cromwells army.
Who then marched on London to remove the King.
How times have changed.
If any thing is in correct,please advise.

Well, sort of, though they were if anything on the other side at this time. General Monck was commander in chief of Parliament's armies in Scotland during the period after Oliver Cromwell's death. Richard Cromwell was unable to exert any authority over the army commanders in London, who were acting on conflicting groups to determine the future of Parliament and the country. meanwhile, outside London most people were just fed up with all this puritan stuff and the politicking.

Monck had been in command of what became the Coldstreams at the start in Berwick, and now picked them for his march to London to sort out the mess down there. His other armies, including the garrison of Edinburgh, he left with his second in command, Thomas Morgan. Presumably the Coldstreams were keeping the peace in the borders. Monck had been in contact with Charles Stuart in his exile, and was manoeuvring to get a settlement agreed before he had to confront anyone in London. Which is much how it happened, though the politics of this period is insanely complicated.

Re: Bus fare cap - ongoing issue, merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362138/26638/5]
Posted by grahame at 16:19, 11th June 2025
 
According to The Mirror, the Chancellor Rachel Reeves will be announcing that the bus fare cap, currently at £3 for a single journey, will remain in place until March 2027.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bus-users-protected-price-hikes-35368949



Update / confirmed and includes other announements - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyr170qm19o

Transport, energy and environment

£15.6bn allocated between 2027 and 2031 for transport projects in English city regions outside London

Additional £11.5bn committed towards the cost of building the Sizewell C nuclear power plant in Suffolk, which will also require private investment

£3 cap on single bus fares in England extended until March 2027

Rules used by Treasury officials to assess proposed infrastructure projects to be updated

Is that "Rules to be updated" a bit woolly but potentially a biggie?

 
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