This is a test of GDPR / Cookie Acceptance [about our cookies]
Really irritating test - cookie expires in 24 hour!
Great Western Coffee Shop
As at 14th March 2025 20:54 GMT
Recent Public Posts - [guest]
Re: Where would be on your GWR Monopoly board?
In "The Lighter Side" [359423/30026/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:38, 14th March 2025
 
Hmm. 

'Her indoors' (my wife) would no doubt opt for Whitechapel Road - she loves all those TV shock thrillers related to the Ripper murders.

I would go for Marlborough Street (the main bus station): I used to have to deliver there, and it was a nightmare, trying to find somewhere to (legally) park my van.

My reference relates specifically to Bristol, by the way. 


Where would be on your GWR Monopoly board?
In "The Lighter Side" [359422/30026/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:17, 14th March 2025
 
Reminder of the starter ...

Brown: Whitechapel Road and Old Kent Road
Light Blue: The Angel Islington, Euston Road and Pentonville Road
Pink (aka Light Purple): Pall Mall, Whitehall and Northumberland Avenue
Orange: Bow Street, Marlborough Street and Vine Street
Red: The Strand, Fleet Street and Trafalgar Square
Yellow: Leicester Square, Coventry Street and Piccadilly
Green: Regent Street, Oxford Street and Bond Street
Dark Blue: Park Lane and Mayfair

Train Stations (King's Cross Station,  Marylebone Station, Fenchurch St Station and Liverpool Street Station)
Utilities (Electric Company and Water Works)

Income Tax
Community Chest
Chance
Super Tax

Go
Go to Jail
Free Parking
Jail / just visiting

I suspect that the Dark Blue have to be Marlow and Henley on Thames

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [359421/28982/26]
Posted by anthony215 at 20:13, 14th March 2025
 
Quick question, as they are expected to run Exeter - Penzance... how Dawlish proof are they?

They coped between Llanelli and Ferryside where they have a sea wall on parts of thw eoute

Plan for M4 to south coast corridor to avoid Bath, through West Wiltshire
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [359420/30025/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:11, 14th March 2025
 
From the BBC:



Lorries and other traffic heading to the south coast from the M4 should be routed through Wiltshire instead of Bath, according to a government study.

Currently, the designated route from the M4 to the Dorset coast is via the A46 and A36, funnelling it across Cleveland Bridge and through Bath. But a National Highways' study has recommended making the A350 in Wiltshire the designated route instead.

Bath and North East Somerset Council (BANES) said it would make a "hugely positive impact" to traffic in the city. Wiltshire Council said it would need to secure investment but the finding was "a vital first positive step" towards improvements.

To avoid Bath, the agency's M4 to Dorset Coast Study recommends traffic should follow the A350 via Chippenham, Melksham and Westbury and then join the A36 at Warminster.  HGVs already have to find alternative routes due to an 18-tonne weight limit on Cleveland Bridge in Bath, introduced in 2021.

Manda Rigby, BANES cabinet member for transport, said the authority was "delighted at this outcome".  "No longer will Bath be seen as the preferred route for HGVs between the M4 and the south coast," she said.  "This will have a hugely positive impact on traffic flows long term in Bath and north east Somerset and air quality enhancements."



Parvis Khansari, from Wiltshire Council, said it will mean highway improvements could be made at "several key points in the county" including Melksham, Westbury, Warminster and Salisbury.  "This corridor is not only essential for regional travel, but these strategic roads also provide vital links between many of our towns and villages here in Wiltshire and so improving them will benefit us all," he said.  "There is a long way to go before we can secure this investment and make these improvements a reality, but this is a vital first positive step in the right direction."



Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359419/30024/11]
Posted by grahame at 20:08, 14th March 2025
 
From the Chepstow Beacon

Great Western Railway will provide 11 extra trains and more than 6,000 additional seats for fans attending Saturday’s Wales v England Six Nations fixture.

Trains are expected to be very busy immediately after the match at the Principality Stadium and a queueing system will be in place outside Cardiff Central station. Fans are reminded to allow plenty of time to queue to board trains safely.

Great Western Railway will provide 11 extra trains and more than 6,000 additional seats for fans attending Saturday’s Wales v England Six Nations fixture.

Trains are expected to be very busy immediately after the match at the Principality Stadium and a queueing system will be in place outside Cardiff Central station. Fans are reminded to allow plenty of time to queue to board trains safely.

GWR will operate a total of six additional services on top of the usual timetabled service to Cardiff ahead of the 1645 kick-off, with a further five extra trains carrying rugby fans home afterwards. As well as extra trains, GWR will also put on extra carriages.


Re: 13th March 2025 - Community Rail Awards, Newcastle
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [359417/30021/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:47, 14th March 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
In the interests of clarity (and politeness), it's actually Mr Burningham.  And give him a chance to get back home from Newcastle!

CfN. 

"Bath Abbey" loco nameplate
In "Railway History and related topics" [359414/30023/55]
Posted by Mark A at 17:49, 14th March 2025

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [359413/28982/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:41, 14th March 2025
Already liked by Mark A, grahame, old original
 
No roof mounted equipment, so should be OK.

Re: GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359412/30022/24]
Posted by Mark A at 17:38, 14th March 2025
 
‘New’ trains 

I looked up "new" in the dictionary

I also took a look at the "new" season ticket fare and it's 15p per mile (7 day ticket, assuming 5 return journeys) which was easily accessible data.   And that compares to 33p per mile Tonbridge to London (cheaper by the slower route via Redhill and to 36p per mile Reading to London - similar distances.   All the more stark when you look at cost per minute on the train I suspect if anyone wants to do the maths!

A bit off-topic: difficult not to reflect that with a season ticket into London, depending on what it is, the cost can buy the traveller 24/7/365 access to the London rail and tube network.

Buy a season from e.g Barnstaple to Exeter, the traveller receives 24/7/365 access from the awkwardly sited station at Barnstaple to... Exeter.

Apart from that commute being capacity constrained, for the Barnstaple example, would there be something to be said, as part of the season ticket offer, for throwing in off-peak access to the rail system on the same basis as a 'Freedom of Devon' ranger ticket perhaps.

Mark

Re: Upcoming closure consultation - Bordesley Station
In "Chiltern Railways services" [359411/30020/44]
Posted by Mark A at 17:30, 14th March 2025
 
It's well worth visiting Bordesley Station on maps.nls.com.

Also, as an aside, much taken with the name of the lock above the (moved) Sandy Lane Lock. Seeing "Hen's Row Lock" has made the day better.

I never knew any of the Camp Hill Flight had individual names!

Must admit I did have to scratch around to find that one.

Mark

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [359410/28982/26]
Posted by old original at 17:24, 14th March 2025
 
Quick question, as they are expected to run Exeter - Penzance... how Dawlish proof are they?

Re: Images show £140m revamp plan for Cardiff Central
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [359409/30018/23]
Posted by Noggin at 15:58, 14th March 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Would the money be better spent on electrification from Cardiff to Swansea/Carmarthen

Not sure of the cost of Cardiff to Swansea electrification though

It seems likely that the effect of the Valley Lines electrification, new stations between Cardiff and Bristol, proposed extra services between Birmingham and Cardiff etc will push up numbers significantly.

Given that user numbers roughly doubled in the 20 years pre-COVID, it doesn't seem unreasonable that the user numbers could double in the next 20. That would bring the number of users to something like the same as that of Leeds (with half the number of platforms)

Re: GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359408/30022/24]
Posted by grahame at 15:44, 14th March 2025
 
‘New’ trains 

I looked up "new" in the dictionary

I also took a look at the "new" season ticket fare and it's 15p per mile (7 day ticket, assuming 5 return journeys) which was easily accessible data.   And that compares to 33p per mile Tonbridge to London (cheaper by the slower route via Redhill and to 36p per mile Reading to London - similar distances.   All the more stark when you look at cost per minute on the train I suspect if anyone wants to do the maths!

Re: GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359407/30022/24]
Posted by Timmer at 15:27, 14th March 2025
 
‘New’ trains 

GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359406/30022/24]
Posted by grahame at 15:24, 14th March 2025
 
From North Devon Today

GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon

GWR responds to fare rise concerns with plans for new trains to improve service

Great Western Railway (GWR) has provided a response following concerns raised by North Devon’s MP, Ian Roome, regarding the recent 4.6 per cent rise in rail fares.

Roome had highlighted that an annual season ticket from Barnstaple to Exeter now costs £2,724, while passengers continue to face overcrowding and infrastructure challenges.

GWR, which operates trains to and from Barnstaple, has clarified that fare rises are determined by government policy rather than individual train operators.

A spokesperson for GWR explained that all revenue raised through fares is returned to the Treasury.

[snip]

As part of this ongoing investment, GWR is set to welcome 26 new Class 175 trains to its fleet, which will run to Barnstaple.

These new trains are expected to replace older diesel models, offering better fuel efficiency, improved environmental performance, and enhanced passenger comfort.

The Class 175 trains will help improve punctuality and reliability for commuters travelling across the network, including those in North Devon.

Re: Upcoming closure consultation - Bordesley Station
In "Chiltern Railways services" [359405/30020/44]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 15:15, 14th March 2025
 
It's well worth visiting Bordesley Station on maps.nls.com.

Also, as an aside, much taken with the name of the lock above the (moved) Sandy Lane Lock. Seeing "Hen's Row Lock" has made the day better.

I never knew any of the Camp Hill Flight had individual names!

Re: Upcoming closure consultation - Bordesley Station
In "Chiltern Railways services" [359404/30020/44]
Posted by grahame at 14:10, 14th March 2025
 
I could have sworn there were more than one service on a match day
When I have returned home starting here there have been a number of services available

Possibly the case and it would make sense of the numbers.

Re: Upcoming closure consultation - Bordesley Station
In "Chiltern Railways services" [359402/30020/44]
Posted by Phantom at 13:58, 14th March 2025
 
I could have sworn there were more than one service on a match day
When I have returned home starting here there have been a number of services available

Re: Upcoming closure consultation - Bordesley Station
In "Chiltern Railways services" [359401/30020/44]
Posted by grahame at 13:47, 14th March 2025
 
https://www.greatwesternrailway.info/BBS.html?limit=50&sortby=5 as well

Over 15,000 ticketed journeys a year with just 52 trains calling is pretty good going - over 250 journeys per train - have I got something wrong there?

Re: Engineering Work Swindon area weekends of 22/23 and 29/30 March
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [359400/30016/10]
Posted by Timmer at 13:45, 14th March 2025
 
I wonder if someone high up has noticed my comment at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29251.msg352532#msg352532

And realised the big problem that has developed over the last few years.
Indeed, and as the last paragraph pertains to this particular diversion to avoid the engineering works in the Swindon area, I’ve quoted it below:

As Paddington and Bristol HSS▸ drivers finish the ability to do short notice diversions via the B+H is drastically reduced. Out of all the GWR depots only Exeter are capable of going Reading Newbury Westbury Bath. No other GWR depot signs between Bedwyn and Westbury.

So once again there is potential for passengers to face an overcrowded train because of the risk GWR don’t have enough crew on a Sunday who sign the Berks and Hants so they can only run one service an hour instead of two. The only plus I see in doing this is that there will be more certainty that this reduced timetabled service will actually run.

Re: FGW announce link with Singapore Airlines
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [359399/13495/5]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:24, 14th March 2025
 
Anybody wanting to try the UK > Singapore 'All The Way By Train' journey better get a move on because when the new Johor Bahru<>Singapore RTS link opens in the near future the current KTM heavy rail service across the Causeway will cease and, I suspect, shortly thereafter the tracks will be lifted to provide more space for motor vehicles.

Re: 13th March 2025 - Community Rail Awards, Newcastle
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [359398/30021/34]
Posted by grahame at 13:15, 14th March 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Devon & Cornwall CRP picked up at least two places....hopefully, Mr Bermingham will advise us soon

Delighted - I was careful not to miss any out from the initial press release - but it did list winners only and there's a lot of fabulous other work going on that would have reached the placed and commended level not shown in that first release.

I would be - almost certain - that there would be many others across our region who got excellent national recognition last night and I would ask that they, or others who where there, please fill us in

Re: 13th March 2025 - Community Rail Awards, Newcastle
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [359397/30021/34]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:43, 14th March 2025
 
Devon & Cornwall CRP picked up at least two places....hopefully, Mr Bermingham will advise us soon

13th March 2025 - Community Rail Awards, Newcastle
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [359396/30021/34]
Posted by grahame at 12:38, 14th March 2025
 

An inspiring range of community rail initiatives, delivered by community rail partnerships, station friends volunteers, and other community groups across Britain, has been recognised at the 20th Community Rail Awards this week.

The event, organised by Community Rail Network and headline partnered by Lumo, was this year held in Newcastle, to honour the wider railway industries’ celebration of 200 years since the birth of modern railways. A record-breaking 510 guests were in attendance including senior rail and transport leaders and community rail officers and volunteers. The evening recognised projects supporting diversity, accessibility and inclusion, sustainable travel and tourism, youth and schools engagement, community-led station improvements, empowered communities and influencing positive change.

The night’s winners across included within our area ...

Most Effective Communications Campaign sponsored by West Midlands Trains
Gloucestershire Community Rail Partnership for Black History Month Every Month

Influencing Positive Change and Sustainability sponsored by Northern
Gloucestershire Community Rail Partnership for Youth Travel Toolkit

Most Enhanced Railway Spaces sponsored by Greater Anglia
Severnside Community Rail Partnership for Mike Hodge Community Room at Bridgwater Station

The above gleaned from the Community Rail Network web site, which also tells me that 510 guests attended in Newcastle. 

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [359395/28982/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:03, 14th March 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
BTW, I agree with CfN on the repaint/vinyl issue. All they need is a GWR logo on the side for the time being, much in the way the C2C stock drafted in at the height of the cracking IET crisis did, or the Thames Trains liveried Turbos acquired FGW Link logos for a couple of years after termination of the former's franchise. Spend the time and money saved on more maintenance of the rest of the current fleet.

Yes, I think that is sensible and kind of what I meant in my earlier post.

The exteriors should be in a decent enough state as they had not long gone from Arriva to TfW livery and the TfW one is very neutral anyway.

As for transformational qualities?  We all know what we’re going to get.  A mid-life train with very good interior layouts, but relatively low capacity and slightly questionable reliability.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [359394/28982/26]
Posted by Mark A at 10:58, 14th March 2025
 

Confirming good news - but will it really "transform South West travel"?


Not exactly a transformation: the doors being at the ends of the carriages are welcome though.

It may be just me: 1/3  2/3 doors combined with longer distance travel is a bit meh: e.g. on runs such as Cardiff and up the Marches it feels as if TfW are using the likes of 197s for the wrong purpose.

Mark

 
The Coffee Shop forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western). The views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit https://www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site at admin@railcustomer.info if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules. Our full legal statment is at https://www.greatwesternrailway.info/legal.html

Although we are planning ahead, we don't know what the future will bring here in the Coffee Shop. We have domains "firstgreatwestern.info" for w-a-y back and also "greatwesternrailway.info"; we can also answer to "greatbritishrailways.info" too. For the future, information about Great Brisish Railways, by customers and for customers.
 
Current Running
GWR trains from JourneyCheck
 
 
Code Updated 11th January 2025