| Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by grahame at 16:30, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41 will call additionally at Bedminster, Parson Street and Weston Milton.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41 will call additionally at Bedminster, Parson Street and Weston Milton.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
1 minute late from Bristol, 4 minutes late at Nailsea, 3 minutes late at Weston-super-mare ... and made up the three minutes thereafter - more or less on time beyond Taunton.
So I have to ask - "with IETs running the Cardiff to Exeter services, would they be able to stop at some three to five extra stations and provide half hourly (or in one case hourly) services in the Bristol commuter area?"
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by johnneyw at 17:03, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've just done Ashley Down to Cardiff Central today....the run back in under an hour, changing at Filton Abbey Wood...but could they squeeze in the occasional direct service I'm wondering.....that should significantly speed things up.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by ChrisB at 17:23, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Jumping before....? Have you identified the rolling stock available to run these extras?
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by johnneyw at 18:00, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Jumping before....? Have you identified the rolling stock available to run these extras?
Extra stock? No. Extra stop on a few suitable existing services was, I think, the idea.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by grahame at 18:56, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Jumping before....? Have you identified the rolling stock available to run these extras?
Extra stock? No. Extra stop on a few suitable existing services was, I think, the idea.
Yeah - it would come from Cardiff

| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by TonyK at 21:51, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So I have to ask - "with IETs running the Cardiff to Exeter services, would they be able to stop at some three to five extra stations and provide half hourly (or in one case hourly) services in the Bristol commuter area?"
I think they would manage with ease - if the route were electric all the way. It would still be a poor use of a high speed train though.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by WelshBluebird at 23:13, 1st October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It's worth adding that given there is no Sunday Filton shuttle right now, GWR are stopping some of the Cardiff to the South West trains at Ashley Down to provide a Sunday service. Given even during the week these services tend to have a decent amount of dwell time at Temple Meads is really don't see why this can't be extended to other days.
And they also seem to be happy to stop a variety of services (mainly Gloucester services I think) at Ashely Down for football and cricket (if the last few days are anything to go by) with limited impact on the timetable (based on rtt it looks like the main impact has been due to crowds rather than the regular dwell time on the stop itself).
South of the river, some of the Cardiff to South West services are already timetables to stop at Bedminster and Parson street too so again I really don't see why this can't be extended to more times!
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by grahame at 07:21, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So I have to ask - "with IETs running the Cardiff to Exeter services, would they be able to stop at some three to five extra stations and provide half hourly (or in one case hourly) services in the Bristol commuter area?"
I think they would manage with ease - if the route were electric all the way. It would still be a poor use of a high speed train though.
Yes - but it is ALREADY poor use of an IET. It struck me on Friday and Saturday and the way traffic at most of the stations gathered in time for the "occasional" hourly service - which is far better than it was at times in the past - possibly offered a latent and significant for passengers opportunity.
I don't think it needs to wait for full electrification. It could be done - err - now. Just the thoughts of a seasoned observer; perhaps someone on the political front would like to pick it up?
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Phantom at 11:49, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41 will call additionally at Bedminster, Parson Street and Weston Milton.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
12:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 18:41 will call additionally at Bedminster, Parson Street and Weston Milton.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
1 minute late from Bristol, 4 minutes late at Nailsea, 3 minutes late at Weston-super-mare ... and made up the three minutes thereafter - more or less on time beyond Taunton.
So I have to ask - "with IETs running the Cardiff to Exeter services, would they be able to stop at some three to five extra stations and provide half hourly (or in one case hourly) services in the Bristol commuter area?"
100& they could and probably should, as someone who regularly uses that route not just for work but for going to football at Ashton Gate I can see the benefits to a better service
With a new Sporting Quarter on the horizon for BS3 there will be an even greater need
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by TonyK at 12:25, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes - but it is ALREADY poor use of an IET. It struck me on Friday and Saturday and the way traffic at most of the stations gathered in time for the "occasional" hourly service - which is far better than it was at times in the past - possibly offered a latent and significant for passengers opportunity.
I don't think it needs to wait for full electrification. It could be done - err - now. Just the thoughts of a seasoned observer; perhaps someone on the political front would like to pick it up?
I entirely agree that it is a poor use of IETs, and have said as much on another thread. I just didn't want to upset some of our members who seem to get slightly rattled when an intercity express is compared to an EMU/DMU. Without doubt, a proper service calling at all points between Temple Meads and Parkway would be possible now, subject to political, financial and train availability being satisfactory. Things have changed over the years, the line is four track, now with four platforms at Filton Abbey Wood and Parkway. Why we still have a mere shuttle to Filton baffles me, especially as it seems to have to move out of the station and back to a different platform for the return leg. I am hoping this is all part of some great master plan that will become obvious very soon.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Mark A at 13:03, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
**snip**
Why we still have a mere shuttle to Filton baffles me, especially as it seems to have to move out of the station and back to a different platform for the return leg. I am hoping this is all part of some great master plan that will become obvious very soon.
Why we still have a mere shuttle to Filton baffles me, especially as it seems to have to move out of the station and back to a different platform for the return leg. I am hoping this is all part of some great master plan that will become obvious very soon.
I didn't realise that that happened. Filton Abbey Wood is a totally counterintuitive terminus for a service. Agreed, given the new infrastructure it'll be turning at Parkway in the near future.
Mark
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by grahame at 13:10, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
**snip**
Why we still have a mere shuttle to Filton baffles me, especially as it seems to have to move out of the station and back to a different platform for the return leg. I am hoping this is all part of some great master plan that will become obvious very soon.
Why we still have a mere shuttle to Filton baffles me, especially as it seems to have to move out of the station and back to a different platform for the return leg. I am hoping this is all part of some great master plan that will become obvious very soon.
I didn't realise that that happened. Filton Abbey Wood is a totally counterintuitive terminus for a service. Agreed, given the new infrastructure it'll be turning at Parkway in the near future.
Mark
My understanding is that there are capacity issues at Bristol Parkway that prevent the train carrying on to there. Until it continues to Henbury it gets turned at Abbey Wood. Looking to the future ... a 30 minute service off Temple Meads via each of Avonmouth, North Filton, Patchway and Yate - is that 8 trains an hour to Stapleton Road, six to Ashley Down and Filton Abbey Wood?
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by johnneyw at 13:52, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Did anyone submit a "Meet the Manager" question that relates to these issues, especially for the next timetable change? Probably too much of a narrow local interest question for a region wide Q&A session....and I know that all the questions will be revealed tomorrow anyway.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Red Squirrel at 13:52, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
We asked GWR quite early on whether it was possible to terminate local services at Bristol Parkway, and got a firm 'no'. I seem to remember the factors were junction capacity, platform capacity, and the undesirability of establishing a service pattern which would have to be unpicked when Brabazon and Henbury open.
It's not clear whether TfW's proposed half-hourly Cardiff - Bristol stoppers would call at Ashley Down - if they did, it would be transformative, leading to a proper 4 tph metro-style service when combined with the 2 tph Henburys.
GWR suggest Filton Abbey Wood as an interchange, although with 2 tph to BPW and quite long connections it's not great; for example ASD - YAE gives journey times of around 40-50 mins, of which over half an hour is spent kicking your heals at FIT. Still quicker that the bus, but could be a lot better.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by johnneyw at 17:21, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
GWR suggest Filton Abbey Wood as an interchange.....
A successful interchange station tends to have substantial numbers of people standing at, or moving between, platforms. The complete absence of cover on the bridge and very limited shelter on the platforms would make this a unpopular prospect with passengers in wet weather.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Mark A at 18:14, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I didn't realise that that happened. Filton Abbey Wood is a totally counterintuitive terminus for a service. Agreed, given the new infrastructure it'll be turning at Parkway in the near future.
Mark
**Eats worms** Thanks for putting me right on this. Mind, I can't be the only person wishing to completely rearrange North Bristol to put the public transport and the traffic generators into some sort of order. Not that it was a completely blank canvas, but even so...
Mark
PS It's always good to see, on a map, a 'Railway in course of construction, even if, for Bristol Parkway, this was some time ago.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.2&lat=51.51706&lon=-2.54982&layers=168&b=ESRIWorld&o=100
Though if anyone needs a map with 'Motorway in course of construction'...
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.55097&lon=-2.54994&layers=258&b=ESRIWorld&o=100
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by anthony215 at 20:26, 2nd October 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
We asked GWR quite early on whether it was possible to terminate local services at Bristol Parkway, and got a firm 'no'. I seem to remember the factors were junction capacity, platform capacity, and the undesirability of establishing a service pattern which would have to be unpicked when Brabazon and Henbury open.
It's not clear whether TfW's proposed half-hourly Cardiff - Bristol stoppers would call at Ashley Down - if they did, it would be transformative, leading to a proper 4 tph metro-style service when combined with the 2 tph Henburys.
GWR suggest Filton Abbey Wood as an interchange, although with 2 tph to BPW and quite long connections it's not great; for example ASD - YAE gives journey times of around 40-50 mins, of which over half an hour is spent kicking your heals at FIT. Still quicker that the bus, but could be a lot better.
It's not clear whether TfW's proposed half-hourly Cardiff - Bristol stoppers would call at Ashley Down - if they did, it would be transformative, leading to a proper 4 tph metro-style service when combined with the 2 tph Henburys.
GWR suggest Filton Abbey Wood as an interchange, although with 2 tph to BPW and quite long connections it's not great; for example ASD - YAE gives journey times of around 40-50 mins, of which over half an hour is spent kicking your heals at FIT. Still quicker that the bus, but could be a lot better.
I think TFW will only run sn hourly service to Bristol TM along with an additional service to Gloucester as part of the proposals for. New local stations between Severn tunnel junction and Cardiff Central although I doubt we'll see all of them being built. Eg Llanwern or Magor I could only see one of them being constructed.
Ashley down is shown as a stop on the proposed Bristol TM service and I believe tfw are looking to order an additional batch of class 756s. Their level boarding will be a game changer for people in Bristol although curved platforms at Temple Meads will be interesting
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by anthony215 at 12:06, 22nd January 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
There's now talk in the telegraph that a number of rail projects are supposed to be getting the.chop except for hs2, east-west rail etc.
Considering the work done and money already spend on it if the Portishead project gets the chop I expect a major backlash.
I do think keeping it going and actually open it is an easy project and not that expensive in the grand scheme of things plus the benefits to the local economies
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:14, 22nd January 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
According to this article,
Sir John [Armitt], who is chairman of the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC), which advises the Treasury, said ministers should consider funding dozens of highway projects up and down the country as a result, rather than seeking to funnel road users on to the railways.
Which is all very depressing.
However it does go on to say:
The NIC has said that spending on new tram systems, or the expansion of existing ones, would be justified only in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Bristol.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:19, 22nd January 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
See also a specific topic on the subject of the Portishead line, at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=231.msg357425#msg357425 .
I'll do a bit more of my 'moving and merging' of posts, simply in the interests of clarity, continuity, ease of future reference, blah, blah.

| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by John D at 11:00, 11th February 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A WEMCA news article suggests agreement has been reached with DfT to continue half hourly rail services, it uses words permanently (so presumably not just for couple more years)
Bristol-Westbury
Bristol - Severn Beach
Bristol - Gloucester
Some of these don't strictly run half hourly, but are 2 trains per hour at uneven intervals
Half-hourly rail services on some lines in the West are set to continue permanently, after agreement with the Department for Transport.
Since the regional authority, in partnership with Great Western Railway, introduced more frequent services on lines between Bristol Temple Meads and Westbury; Bristol Temple Meads and Gloucester, via Yate; and between Bristol Temple Meads and Severn Beach, there have been over 3 million more train journeys on those routes. This represents an 28% increase in people benefitting from the services, including Jayden from Yate (video on click to open in a new window Facebook | click to open in a new window Instagram | click to open in a new window Bluesky | click to open in a new window LinkedIn | click to open in a new window X (Twitter) ).
The half-hourly trains have boosted rail connections along the following routes and stations:
Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury (part of the Heart of Wessex Line), also stopping at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, and Westbury
Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester, via Yate, also stopping at Filton Abbey Wood and Bristol Parkway – and will also serve every hour the new Charfield station currently under construction
Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach (the Severn Beach Line), also stopping at Lawrence Hill, Stapleton Road, Montpelier, Redland, Clifton Down, Sea Mills, Shirehampton, Portway Park & Ride, Avonmouth, St Andrews Road (hourly), and Severn Beach (hourly)
The Mayor of the West of England, Helen Godwin, has repeatedly spoken of the need to further increase the frequency of train services across the West. A longer-term ambition is there for four trains per hour to serve stations across the network, click to open in a new window after the region secured a record £752 million investment for transport infrastructure improvements to enable those increases over the coming years.
Since the regional authority, in partnership with Great Western Railway, introduced more frequent services on lines between Bristol Temple Meads and Westbury; Bristol Temple Meads and Gloucester, via Yate; and between Bristol Temple Meads and Severn Beach, there have been over 3 million more train journeys on those routes. This represents an 28% increase in people benefitting from the services, including Jayden from Yate (video on click to open in a new window Facebook | click to open in a new window Instagram | click to open in a new window Bluesky | click to open in a new window LinkedIn | click to open in a new window X (Twitter) ).
The half-hourly trains have boosted rail connections along the following routes and stations:
Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury (part of the Heart of Wessex Line), also stopping at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, and Westbury
Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester, via Yate, also stopping at Filton Abbey Wood and Bristol Parkway – and will also serve every hour the new Charfield station currently under construction
Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach (the Severn Beach Line), also stopping at Lawrence Hill, Stapleton Road, Montpelier, Redland, Clifton Down, Sea Mills, Shirehampton, Portway Park & Ride, Avonmouth, St Andrews Road (hourly), and Severn Beach (hourly)
The Mayor of the West of England, Helen Godwin, has repeatedly spoken of the need to further increase the frequency of train services across the West. A longer-term ambition is there for four trains per hour to serve stations across the network, click to open in a new window after the region secured a record £752 million investment for transport infrastructure improvements to enable those increases over the coming years.
https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/news/half-hourly-train-services-extended/
The last sentence says a Transport Vision will be shared this week
Next week, a new Transport Vision for the West of England will be shared, setting out more details about the authority’s goals for the future.
| Re: Scope to increase Bristol suburban services? Posted by ChrisB at 11:18, 11th February 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Presumably this article resulted from that release?
From Business Live
More frequent train services from Bristol Temple Meads to continue after government agreement
More frequent trains on a number of lines from Bristol Temple Meads station will continue following an agreement with the government. The West of England Combined Authority (Weca) said that since introducing half-hourly services on certain lines, there had been more than three million more train journeys on those routes.
The routes that will continue to offer more frequent services are:
Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury (part of the Heart of Wessex Line), also stopping at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, and Westbury;
Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester, via Yate, also stopping at Filton Abbey Wood and Bristol Parkway – and will also serve every hour the new Charfield station currently under construction;
Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach (the Severn Beach Line), also stopping at Lawrence Hill, Stapleton Road, Montpelier, Redland, Clifton Down, Sea Mills, Shirehampton, Portway Park and Ride, Avonmouth, St Andrews Road (hourly), and Severn Beach (hourly).
Weca said its "longer-term ambition" is to have four trains per hour serving stations across the network, after the region secured £752m investment for transport infrastructure improvements from the government last year.
The announcement comes as Weca prepares to unveil a new 'Transport Vision for the West of England' this week, setting out more details about the authority’s goals for the future.
Helen Godwin, mayor of the West of England, said: "Half-hourly services between Westbury, Gloucester via Yate, Severn Beach, and Bristol Temple Meads are important for local commuters, giving people more options to travel on our growing regional rail network.
"Our new agreement to protect these regular services is welcome news for passengers across the West Country. As we build five new train stations, and look to increase the frequency of services across the board, this is another vote of confidence in the West of England."
Claire Young, MP for Thornbury and Yate, said she was "thrilled" with the news that train services in Yate would run on a half-hour frequency permanently.
"This is something I have campaigned hard for alongside local councillors and I raised the issue five times in Parliament," she said.
"It also means that the new Charfield station will be able to run hourly trains. The half-hour service will support jobs in Yate and also help students to access colleges in the area.”
GWR Wales and West of England commercial development manager Hannah Shackleford added: "These aren't just trains – they're vital economic lifelines connecting communities and businesses across the region. The decision validates our belief that reliable rail services are essential for local and national growth."
Two new railway stations have opened in the region in recent years: Portway Park and Ride, and Ashley Down.
Five more are being delivered as part of a wider £400m regional investment: Charfield, Henbury, North Filton, Pill, and Portishead.
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy said: "I’m delighted the Government has been able to reach an agreement with the West of England Combined Authority to deliver more frequent train services to better connect passengers to jobs and their local communities.
"We're reforming our railways by bringing operators back into public ownership, and creating Great British Railways, which will be accountable to passengers and drive a relentless focus on responding to their needs. By boosting connectivity, we're driving economic growth, jobs and homes, and making public transport an accessible, reliable option for commuters across the UK."
More frequent trains on a number of lines from Bristol Temple Meads station will continue following an agreement with the government. The West of England Combined Authority (Weca) said that since introducing half-hourly services on certain lines, there had been more than three million more train journeys on those routes.
The routes that will continue to offer more frequent services are:
Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury (part of the Heart of Wessex Line), also stopping at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, and Westbury;
Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester, via Yate, also stopping at Filton Abbey Wood and Bristol Parkway – and will also serve every hour the new Charfield station currently under construction;
Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach (the Severn Beach Line), also stopping at Lawrence Hill, Stapleton Road, Montpelier, Redland, Clifton Down, Sea Mills, Shirehampton, Portway Park and Ride, Avonmouth, St Andrews Road (hourly), and Severn Beach (hourly).
Weca said its "longer-term ambition" is to have four trains per hour serving stations across the network, after the region secured £752m investment for transport infrastructure improvements from the government last year.
The announcement comes as Weca prepares to unveil a new 'Transport Vision for the West of England' this week, setting out more details about the authority’s goals for the future.
Helen Godwin, mayor of the West of England, said: "Half-hourly services between Westbury, Gloucester via Yate, Severn Beach, and Bristol Temple Meads are important for local commuters, giving people more options to travel on our growing regional rail network.
"Our new agreement to protect these regular services is welcome news for passengers across the West Country. As we build five new train stations, and look to increase the frequency of services across the board, this is another vote of confidence in the West of England."
Claire Young, MP for Thornbury and Yate, said she was "thrilled" with the news that train services in Yate would run on a half-hour frequency permanently.
"This is something I have campaigned hard for alongside local councillors and I raised the issue five times in Parliament," she said.
"It also means that the new Charfield station will be able to run hourly trains. The half-hour service will support jobs in Yate and also help students to access colleges in the area.”
GWR Wales and West of England commercial development manager Hannah Shackleford added: "These aren't just trains – they're vital economic lifelines connecting communities and businesses across the region. The decision validates our belief that reliable rail services are essential for local and national growth."
Two new railway stations have opened in the region in recent years: Portway Park and Ride, and Ashley Down.
Five more are being delivered as part of a wider £400m regional investment: Charfield, Henbury, North Filton, Pill, and Portishead.
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy said: "I’m delighted the Government has been able to reach an agreement with the West of England Combined Authority to deliver more frequent train services to better connect passengers to jobs and their local communities.
"We're reforming our railways by bringing operators back into public ownership, and creating Great British Railways, which will be accountable to passengers and drive a relentless focus on responding to their needs. By boosting connectivity, we're driving economic growth, jobs and homes, and making public transport an accessible, reliable option for commuters across the UK."














