Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by stuving at 22:48, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
... So the trains through CPM may have been ... or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.
but presumably they would have stopped if they had been 'normal' services? They all should stop AFAIK, unless the decision was taken to skip some stops to make up time - hopefully the passengers were suitably warned if that was the case

Sorry, I should have been clearer that there were trains running off route. RTT never shows off-route trains, since it can only show reports against a timetable. Even LiveRail, which can show some off-route trains, does not list them under off-route stations. It can only show the diversion in place of the originally intended route.
So RTT continues to show an off-route train progressing along its timetabled route, with no report for the bit it has diverted round. If you look a station (or timing point) on the section that was diverted round, this train still appears listed but will show no report. Of course a "no report" is not evidence of anything, since reports go missing for all sorts of reasons.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by bobm at 21:53, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not helpful for this case now but even if a train isn’t shown on RTT they usually do appear on signalling maps like Open Time Trains. You can often then work out what it is from the headcode.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by Hafren at 21:00, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Could have been these - both left SWI around the and would have run non-stop on diversion through Chippenham:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y21977/2025-04-10/detailed#allox_id=0 - left SWI 1729
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y21978/2025-04-10/detailed#allox_id=0 - shows 'pass' SWI 1723 but actually must have stopped as it was there a while when I was keeping an eye on it and ended up behind the above one
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by ChrisB at 20:57, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
RTT won't have shown these if looking at Chippenham, as they were off their timetabled route. A search for those passing Wootton Bassett might offer more clues, as for a while the majority of trains running west would have ended up going through Chippenham.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by matth1j at 20:52, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Were they definitely empty or just lightly loaded?
Not definitely - didn't spot any occupants as they passed through, but even the slower trains were moving reasonably quickly so I can't say for sure.Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by Hafren at 20:46, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've just been caught up in the knock-on delays. Were they definitely empty or just lightly loaded? Paddington-Swansea trains were diverted through Chippenham. It looks like some were held for some time at Swindon - perhaps awaiting crew, or maybe awaiting decision on whether or not the main line would reopen, or even awaiting slots between other trains. As a result of these waits at Swindon several ended up running through in close succession, so perhaps the first one had mopped up passengers and those behind were fairly empty.
Perhaps some had terminated at SWI for the same reason, and were running ECS to move out of the way. I note that a number of the Wales axis trains had started short at Reading; I suppose it's possible that one of the the 'second in the hour' Cardiff trains was part-cancelled and moving out of the way as well.
RTT won't have shown these if looking at Chippenham, as they were off their timetabled route. A search for those passing Wootton Bassett might offer more clues, as for a while the majority of trains running west would have ended up going through Chippenham.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by matth1j at 20:45, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
... So the trains through CPM may have been ... or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.
but presumably they would have stopped if they had been 'normal' services? They all should stop AFAIK, unless the decision was taken to skip some stops to make up time - hopefully the passengers were suitably warned if that was the case

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by stuving at 20:20, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You'd do better to look at JourneyCheck:
Following a points failure near Chipping Sodbury, which has lasted much of the day, our South Wales to London Paddington services are taking the normal route again, between Bristol Parkway and Swindon. However, this incident has caused some considerable disruption, and many trains are running very late, and in some cases remain cancelled.
Or in RTT at Bristol Parkway there's a mass of red "cancel" and delay, while at Reading several trains can be found that show "no report" from BPW to Wootton Bassett Junction. So the trains through CPM may have been ECS, or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by bobm at 20:16, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I suspect after a number of signalling issues and a fatality at Stapleton Road today there were some positioning moves to get sets back into the right place. These last minute moves do occasionally appear on RTT after the event but not always.
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by ChrisB at 19:51, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Interesting, that's it, ok, so I don't know why it isn't showing any ECS movements
Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by matth1j at 19:42, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
RealTime Trains in Extended mode will tell you....
Thanks Chris - I can see a 'detailed' option, but that doesn't show anything - am I doing it wrong?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1owIBDxb7cTPhw6JJY-P0jqoG49zJh9OC/view?usp=drive_link
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Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by ChrisB at 19:27, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
RealTime Trains in Extended mode will tell you....
Chippenham this evening - empty trains Posted by matth1j at 19:12, 10th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On my way back from Bristol (1700 London Paddington) to Melksham this vening, I had the usual change at Chippenham to pick up the 1750 Westbury service. But what was unusual was that while waiting at Chippenham, 4 what looked like empty IETs passed through in the space of about 15 mins, 2 in each direction.
3 were 9 carriage combinations, going at a steady pace, while one was a 5 carriage, heading towards Bath/Bristol, and that was really motoring. Seemed a bit odd; you get the occasional freight train passing through around that time, but I don't remember ever seeing an empty IET, never mind 4.
There was (or had been) a points failure somewhere down the line in the London direction, and the Paddington-Taunton service was cancelled. Don't know if that explains it.
Anyone know what was going on?