Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:13, 25th January 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A rather sombre update on this historic topic - from the BBC:
'My family was murdered at Auschwitz. Her grandfather drove trains to the camp'

Amie Liebowitz
It doesn't matter how much you prepare for it. It still takes you by surprise. As the great-granddaughter of a woman who was murdered in Auschwitz, I am meeting the granddaughter of a man who drove Jews to their death. I'm lost for words.
I never got to meet my grandfather Ludvig, who survived the Holocaust, or his mother Rachel. They were put onto a cattle cart to the Auschwitz death camp in 1944. Ludvig, who was about 15 at the time, was separated from his mother and sent to another concentration camp. But Rachel was tortured, gassed and murdered.
I grew up hearing so many stories about them, and spending time with other Holocaust survivors in my family in Australia. They were at the forefront of my mind when I found myself in Germany interviewing Cornelia Stieler.
Cornelia's grandfather was the main breadwinner in a household with very little income. He originally worked as a coal miner, but after a near-fatal accident which left him trapped under coal for two days, he decided to do something else. Things turned around when he eventually got a job at Deutsche Reichsbahn as a train driver. Cornelia's mother used to speak of that achievement with pride, saying getting the job was "the chance of a lifetime".
At first, he was transporting goods for the war effort. But it soon turned into something more sinister. "I believe that my grandfather served as a train driver, commuting between the death camps. He stayed in Liegnitz, now Legnica, in a boarding school, so there was a certain separation from the family and between the death camps."
Cornelia says that when her grandfather first started the job, he didn't know what it would become. "I think my grandfather saw a lot of horrible things and didn't know how to get out of this work, didn't know how to deal with it."
After training as a family therapist, she delved into her past and tried to understand him better. She tells me she started asking: "At what point was he a perpetrator? Was he an accessory to perpetrators? When could he have left?"
At this point, my mouth is dry. My heart is racing. Listening to all of this feels like an out-of-body experience. All I can think about is how her grandfather drove trains into Auschwitz, and that's how my grandfather and great-grandmother ended up there. I'm thinking about all my other relatives - cousins that I know existed but know nothing about - who were murdered in Auschwitz too.
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Amie Liebowitz
It doesn't matter how much you prepare for it. It still takes you by surprise. As the great-granddaughter of a woman who was murdered in Auschwitz, I am meeting the granddaughter of a man who drove Jews to their death. I'm lost for words.
I never got to meet my grandfather Ludvig, who survived the Holocaust, or his mother Rachel. They were put onto a cattle cart to the Auschwitz death camp in 1944. Ludvig, who was about 15 at the time, was separated from his mother and sent to another concentration camp. But Rachel was tortured, gassed and murdered.
I grew up hearing so many stories about them, and spending time with other Holocaust survivors in my family in Australia. They were at the forefront of my mind when I found myself in Germany interviewing Cornelia Stieler.
Cornelia's grandfather was the main breadwinner in a household with very little income. He originally worked as a coal miner, but after a near-fatal accident which left him trapped under coal for two days, he decided to do something else. Things turned around when he eventually got a job at Deutsche Reichsbahn as a train driver. Cornelia's mother used to speak of that achievement with pride, saying getting the job was "the chance of a lifetime".
At first, he was transporting goods for the war effort. But it soon turned into something more sinister. "I believe that my grandfather served as a train driver, commuting between the death camps. He stayed in Liegnitz, now Legnica, in a boarding school, so there was a certain separation from the family and between the death camps."
Cornelia says that when her grandfather first started the job, he didn't know what it would become. "I think my grandfather saw a lot of horrible things and didn't know how to get out of this work, didn't know how to deal with it."
After training as a family therapist, she delved into her past and tried to understand him better. She tells me she started asking: "At what point was he a perpetrator? Was he an accessory to perpetrators? When could he have left?"
At this point, my mouth is dry. My heart is racing. Listening to all of this feels like an out-of-body experience. All I can think about is how her grandfather drove trains into Auschwitz, and that's how my grandfather and great-grandmother ended up there. I'm thinking about all my other relatives - cousins that I know existed but know nothing about - who were murdered in Auschwitz too.
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Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by grahame at 06:33, 27th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Researching "on this day" took me to a site for the purpose which told me
Researching further brought me to https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/france and the horror story. Didn't mention 27th February explicity but it's a story that mustn't slip from the memory. I'm posting anyway.
27th February 1942 - 1st transport of French Jews to nazi-Germany
Researching further brought me to https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/france and the horror story. Didn't mention 27th February explicity but it's a story that mustn't slip from the memory. I'm posting anyway.
"ping" to the top. Not just from France. From all across Europe as is one of my lasting memories of my recent journeys.
From Zagreb, in Croatia

From Budapest, in Hungary

Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by grahame at 23:09, 26th February 2022 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Researching "on this day" took me to a site for the purpose which told me
27th February 1942 - 1st transport of French Jews to nazi-Germany
Researching further brought me to https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/france and the horror story. Didn't mention 27th February explicity but it's a story that mustn't slip from the memory. I'm posting anyway.
Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by DidcotPunter at 09:15, 11th February 2015 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Your daughter is right. I visited the Dachau memorial camp north of Munich in the 1970s. It was a bitterly cold overcast day with light snow blowing in the wind. Nothing can prepare you for the experience.
My daughter is going to visit Auschwitz next month.
Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by BerkshireBugsy at 06:48, 10th February 2015 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My daughter (15) went on a school trip to Aushwitz late last year and told me "no matter how many times you see pictures of tv coverage nothing can prepare you for she felt being there in person"
And all though she often talks a load of rubbish this is something I believe.
Re: Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by SandTEngineer at 09:30, 28th January 2015 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On the BBC news yesterday lunchtime they hsd an hovering view of the camp and associated railway lines accompanied by music but absolutely no commentary. Quite haunting and moving at the same time.
Auschwitz anniversary - merged posts Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:39, 27th January 2015 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC - quoted selectively:
Auschwitz 70th anniversary: Survivors warn of new crimes
Auschwitz survivors have urged the world not to allow a repeat of the crimes of the Holocaust as they mark 70 years since the camp's liberation.
Some 300 Auschwitz survivors returned for the ceremony under a giant tent.
Some 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, were killed there between 1940 and 1945, when Soviet troops liberated it.
It is expected to be the last major anniversary event survivors are able to attend in considerable numbers.
A huge, white temporary building has been erected over the brick railway buildings where many of the Jews of Europe were sorted into those who were fit enough for slave labour and those who would be taken straight to the gas chambers.

Delegations made their way through the snow to lay candles at the Birkenau Memorial

A giant tent was erected at the Birkenau site for the commemoration

Germans commemorated the transport of Jews to their deaths by laying flowers on railway platforms in Berlin
Auschwitz survivors have urged the world not to allow a repeat of the crimes of the Holocaust as they mark 70 years since the camp's liberation.
Some 300 Auschwitz survivors returned for the ceremony under a giant tent.
Some 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, were killed there between 1940 and 1945, when Soviet troops liberated it.
It is expected to be the last major anniversary event survivors are able to attend in considerable numbers.
A huge, white temporary building has been erected over the brick railway buildings where many of the Jews of Europe were sorted into those who were fit enough for slave labour and those who would be taken straight to the gas chambers.

Delegations made their way through the snow to lay candles at the Birkenau Memorial

A giant tent was erected at the Birkenau site for the commemoration

Germans commemorated the transport of Jews to their deaths by laying flowers on railway platforms in Berlin