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Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial.
In "Fare's Fair" [375963/32117/4]
Posted by Clan Line at 14:50, 14th June 2026
 
We have the railways to thank for the introduction of a "universal" common time across Britain - but we now seem to be going backwards again.

GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have  an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200.  Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !


An online look tells us:
Evenings begins when the sun is low on the horizon, following dusk and twilight, and often concludes when it is time to go to bed

Logic, then, is for evening tickets to be available for journeys completed less than 120 minutes before sunset,

Today, sunset is 15 mins later in Penzance that it is at Paddington - this could require good mathematical skills to work out which train to get 

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375962/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:06, 14th June 2026
 
Newquay and Looe branches suffering today with first services cancellations.
Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!

With all the spare 175's at Laira, surely a few of those could have been pressed into service.

Still a few 5 car IET's doing the Penzance - Paddington runs - disgraceful.

The treasury have a lot to answer to (but not accountable to the public it seems).

The chaos at Bath yesterday seems to have caught GW Control napping; and unable to cope?

.......and yet still "spare" IETs to launch new routes it would seem?

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375961/28556/25]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:39, 14th June 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
.....Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!.....

From t'internet:
In the 1980s/90s the siding adjacent to platform 6 at Exeter St Davids and the old goods shed was established as a small railfreight terminal ...
and
Exeter St Davids Premier Transport is an active railway location code and historical freight site located at the Exeter St Davids railway station complex. It functions as an operational timing point (TIPLOC: EXETDPT) used by rail network tracking systems to monitor empty coaching stock (ECS) movements, train stabling, and cancellations between the platforms and the Exeter Traction Maintenance Depot (TMD)
and
Premier Transport (a Bristol firm) had a depot at Exeter and handled the unloading of Guinness at St Davids.....

Obviously the actual siding disappeared when the new TMD was built. I remember it well - in it's later years it was commonly used to stable Tampers and suchlike.

Re: Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [375960/32124/50]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:24, 14th June 2026
Already liked by rogerw
 
I reckon the stated aspiration could only be achieved by the reintroduction of school/pupil catchment areas.

And I can think of a number of reasons why any government wouldn't be 'courageous' enough to do it.

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375959/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 10:36, 14th June 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
Newquay and Looe branches suffering today with first services cancellations.
Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!

With all the spare 175's at Laira, surely a few of those could have been pressed into service.

Still a few 5 car IET's doing the Penzance - Paddington runs - disgraceful.

The treasury have a lot to answer to (but not accountable to the public it seems).

The chaos at Bath yesterday seems to have caught GW Control napping; and unable to cope?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375958/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 09:41, 14th June 2026
 
Hold it!

09:45 Swindon to Westbury due 10:26
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35
11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55

Facilities on the 11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55.
Toilet facilities are not available.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375957/31359/18]
Posted by John D at 09:38, 14th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Just to add to that. If running slowly though the signals isn't possible, why are trains not running as far as the previous station and then returning, on all lines? At present, nobody can get from Bath to Bristol by train, and I very much doubt whether anyone can by bus either as the services would already have been packed. And yet this line, as far as I know, isn't where the signalling problem is.

In the old days was hand signalling, but in 2019 ESW (emergency special working) was created to get stranded trains past defective signals.   Not clear to me why this wasn't used to get people past the defective area.   

Stranding thousands of people for 2-4 hours should not really have been seen as a serious option by Control once they realised they couldn't source alternative road transport due to multiple events at Bath, and congested roads in the area meaning local buses weren't an alternative either. 


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375956/31359/18]
Posted by Mark A at 09:23, 14th June 2026
 
I don't know nearly enough about how train running is managed / what broke. One factor in this might be that in the fairly recent past, wasn't a mobile operations manager based at Bath Spa station, but either this post was removed elsewhere or abolished entirely?

Mark

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375955/31359/18]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:47, 14th June 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen, Mark A
 
.....where Exeter Chiefs secured another glorious victory over Bath.....

Fixed it for you! 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375954/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:24, 14th June 2026
Already liked by Bob_Blakey
 
Ouch, this has coincided with an open day at Bath University and an event at the racecourse.

Mark

Both dwarfed in significance by events at the Rec, where Exeter Chiefs secured a glorious victory over Bath, only for many of their fans to find that their journeys home were scuppered.

There's going to be some pretty chunky compensation claims going in...........on the upside it may help to pay for Twickenham next weekend! 

Nothing much has happened - 14th June - leaves our forum quieter
In "News, Help and Assistance" [375953/32131/29]
Posted by grahame at 07:55, 14th June 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
June 14 has been the site of major historical milestones, including the end of the Falklands War in 1982, the fall of Paris to Nazi Germany in 1940, and the adoption of the U.S. flag in 1777

June 14 is best known as World Blood Donor Day and, in the United States, as National Flag Day. It is also celebrated globally as International Bath Day, National Strawberry Shortcake Day, and World Juggling Day, while marking major historical milestones like the birthday of Che Guevara.

None of the above is a rail landmark in the Thames Valley, Wessex, South West amd South Wales, let alone being a public transport issue of interest to us on the Coffee Shop.  Events seem to cluster around certain times of year, perhaps to do with politic, financial year and weather patterns, and we are June. There are other dates in June where our "On this day" reports "No 'On This Day' events reported for xxth Jun".  It's also - possible - that there's a personal bias here in that in past years I've been involved with other things at this time of year and taken my eye off the addition of items for some of these dates.

No news - in many ways - is good news. The Coffee Shop thrives on the "out of the ordinary" and "nothing much happening to distrupt trains or concern us" tends to lead to less messages being posted.  Good information systems (as well as more modern social media) have a tendency to leave us rather quieter than we were in the past, and really we should celebrate those good information systems, and consistent routine reliable operation which are, after all very much the goal.



Yesterday - 13th June - we reported On this Day on the first train ride by a monarch.  But a monarch is just a single person in their country, and they sit in a unique position.   Public transport - trains and buses (and trams, ferries, lifts, escalators, aircraft, taxis etc) exist for mass transit.  And there remains a logical social requirement to provide consistent mobility and information on mobility for all, and for those of us who wish to help inform others for better use thereof, to give thoughtful feedback, and to assist / partner with anyone and everyone who has parallel or near-parallel objectives. 

Yesterday also brought - to me - a micro reminder of some of the issues and areas we can help with, and some elements where current provision isn't ideal.  Plans and thoughts afoot reminded my of the little things where significant differences can / could / should be made over coming months and years.  There's another thread to come on this.  It also reminded me of my own increased frailty - and there's yet more of a topic there.



The 19th, 20th and 24th June are also showing up as "nothing much happened" days, as are 4th, 8th, and 13th July.  We do have over 500 "on this day" events that come up every year from our database, but the spread is uneven.  Please go ahead and post events for these days - or tell me and I will post them.  The OTD system is set up as a "capital" rather than a "revenue" system - single actions to add something leaves it there for the life of the system without a need to re-invest or maintain each year, and as such I haven't taken the time and effort to make it easy for anyone except myself to actually add the links that "pin" posts to days - a little bit dictatorial maybe; happy, then to add appropriate new items for members, and to take items away should there be good reason such as moderator team consensus that I should do so.

Re: GWR accused of disrupting Wales-England train links
In "Across the West" [375952/32097/26]
Posted by Hafren at 01:21, 14th June 2026
 
The overnight Cardiff-Waterloo train (which went via Reading and Olympia, unlike the day ones via Salisbury) started back at Pembroke Dock – I suspect as much because the diagrams worked out that way than through intentional end-to-end planning. I think one of hte daytime Waterloos might have been from Milford. They ended in the early 2000s. The Waterloo one's closure meant a curve near Clapham Junction lost its service, so there was a pointless replacement bus for a while...

I think I saw in a historic timetable that the weekday Carmarthen-Paddington train, for a long time daily but very recently becoming more frequent,  ran to/from Milford in the (very) early 90s.

OTD - Queen Victoria was the first reigning British monarch to travel on a train
In "Railway History and related topics" [375951/32130/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:06, 13th June 2026
 
The first journey by a reigning British monarch on a train was made by Queen Victoria on June 13, 1842. She traveled on the British Royal Train from Slough to London’s Paddington Station, completing the trip in 25 minutes.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375950/31359/18]
Posted by froome at 21:27, 13th June 2026
 
Just to add to that. If running slowly though the signals isn't possible, why are trains not running as far as the previous station and then returning, on all lines? At present, nobody can get from Bath to Bristol by train, and I very much doubt whether anyone can by bus either as the services would already have been packed. And yet this line, as far as I know, isn't where the signalling problem is.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375949/31359/18]
Posted by froome at 20:56, 13th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I have heard that Bath Spa station has been shut. We were caught up by this problem as we were on the 17.00 train from Freshford to Bath which eventually ended up returning to Freshford. Certainly amongst the group I was with, many ended up walking back to Bath (about 7 or 8 miles along the canal). We rang for a taxi.

I cannot believe that GWR cannot run trains slowly past the signals that are causing the problem. They couldn't have picked a worse day for this to happen.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375948/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 20:53, 13th June 2026
 
Ouch, this has coincided with an open day at Bath University and an event at the racecourse.

Mark

Yeah ...   From Wiltshire 999

Horrendous scenes at Bath Spa railway station — where hundreds of people are stranded due to delays and cancellations.




Re: GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026
In "Fare's Fair" [375947/32128/4]
Posted by plymothian at 20:16, 13th June 2026
 
They are available on any GWR service that normally has 1st class, as a walk up on-train upgrade bought from the guard or TE, where space is available (ie any seat unreserved for the duration of the journey undertaken) - same as Weekend First.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375946/31359/18]
Posted by Mark A at 20:11, 13th June 2026
 
Ouch, this has coincided with an open day at Bath University and an event at the racecourse.

Mark

Re: Random questions - 24 July 2022
In "The Lighter Side" [375945/26571/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:56, 13th June 2026
 
Returning to this topic rather belatedly ... 

3. Crewe.  Not the one in Cheshire, but the one in Virginia, USA, at their Railroad Museum.

Sorry for my inadvertently digging up a very historic topic 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375944/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:44, 13th June 2026
 
We are expecting some road transport to operate from Bath Spa station. However, the first of these is not expected until about 19:30. Customers at Chippenham are advised to travel to Swindon and change for diverted services to Bristol Temple Meads.

Isn't the road outside Bath Spa shut too?

Manvers Street (opposite) is.   Dorchester Street which leads past the bus station to Bath Spa railway station is basically a cut-de-sac at present.

In an emergency / with rail replacement buses they could be running from the bus station.  There are a number of free bays at the moment because of bus services cut back to the Hilton Hotel

Re: Where was I today? - 2 July 2022
In "The Lighter Side" [375943/26509/30]
Posted by grahame at 19:38, 13th June 2026
 
I think 1 is Weymouth. 

It is ... a now historic picture I think as the snails have been displaced from the beach

Re: Where was I today? - 2 July 2022
In "The Lighter Side" [375942/26509/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:24, 13th June 2026
 
I think 1 is Weymouth. 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375941/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:05, 13th June 2026
 
We are expecting some road transport to operate from Bath Spa station. However, the first of these is not expected until about 19:30. Customers at Chippenham are advised to travel to Swindon and change for diverted services to Bristol Temple Meads.

Isn't the road outside Bath Spa shut too?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375940/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:44, 13th June 2026
 

 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [375939/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:27, 13th June 2026
 
17:37 Swindon to Westbury due 18:22
18:35 Westbury to Swindon due 19:17

18:35 Westbury to Swindon due 19:17 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

And I suspect this is the root cause ...

Cancellations to services between Chippenham and Bristol Temple Meads

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Chippenham and Bristol Temple Meads all lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. Bath Spa and Chippenham will not be served. Disruption is expected until 19:30 13/06.
Customer Advice
The signals outside of Bath Spa station have failed. This is severely affecting our ability to run trains in the Bath Spa area.

Train services between Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddington are diverting, running straight to Swindon. Services between Bristol Temple Meads and Westbury are subject to delay or alteration. There are currenrly very few services running through Bath Spa. Road transport has been requested but with no reasonable timescale on when this might be in place.

We are expecting some road transport to operate from Bath Spa station. However, the first of these is not expected until about 19:30. Customers at Chippenham are advised to travel to Swindon and change for diverted services to Bristol Temple Meads.

 
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