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Re: 13th December 2026 - Great Western returns to public ownership
In "Across the West" [374904/31999/26]
Posted by JohnM at 11:52, 8th May 2026
 
AI says it is, so it must be true
The timing for Great Western Railway (GWR) returning to public ownership is based on the government's phased nationalization schedule under the Passenger Railway Services (Public Ownership) Act 2024. 

While specific dates for later transitions can occasionally shift based on the exact end of franchise periods, the December 13, 2026 date aligns with the expected expiration of GWR's current contract.

Why this date?
* Contract Expiry: The government is bringing operators back into public hands as their existing private contracts expire to avoid paying compensation to the private firms. GWR's current agreement with the Department for Transport (DfT) is scheduled to conclude in late 2026. 
* The Three-Month Rollout: Since the 2024 Act, the government has been nationalizing roughly one operator every quarter. For example, South Western Railway transitioned in 2025, and West Midlands Trains followed in early 2026. 
* Autumn 2026 Window: Official projections and timelines from the DfT and major news trackers (such as The Guardian's nationalization tracker) place GWR in the "Autumn 2026" bracket, specifically targeting mid-December to coincide with the winter timetable change—a standard point for major administrative shifts in the rail industry. 

The final operator, CrossCountry, is currently projected to be the last to transition in late 2027.

Re: 13th December 2026 - Great Western returns to public ownership
In "Across the West" [374903/31999/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:38, 8th May 2026
 
Hmmm. Can't find any sign of it anywhere official

Re: On tour, May 2026, Grahame
In "The Lighter Side" [374902/31997/30]
Posted by grahame at 11:16, 8th May 2026
 
That's the western end of Rotterdam Centraal, as seen by somebody still half asleep, or from a camera with a hazy memory.

Correct

On a train that could do with a visit to the carriage wash?

I think it was deeper than that - a curved window on the upper deck of a train, I suspect worn / fogged perspex.  The downstairs windows were much clearer


13th December 2026 - Great Western returns to public ownership
In "Across the West" [374901/31999/26]
Posted by grahame at 11:13, 8th May 2026
 
Initially from social media - I won't put this is "Rumour Mill" because it fits expectations

GW returns to public ownership on 13th December, announced this morning.

Re: On tour, May 2026, Grahame
In "The Lighter Side" [374900/31997/30]
Posted by JayMac at 11:01, 8th May 2026
 
On a train that could do with a visit to the carriage wash?

Re: On tour, May 2026, Grahame
In "The Lighter Side" [374899/31997/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:16, 8th May 2026
 
Well, it's definitely not Melksham. 

Re: Advance fares - hardly the most robust offering
In "Fare's Fair" [374898/31978/4]
Posted by JohnM at 10:14, 8th May 2026
 
Some of our regulars from Melksham are aware that if they want to get to London earlier than the 10:02 but not pay £££ for the 08:02, they should split at Chippenham,  and use part of their saving for a coffee at the Hungry Hare.
I'll try to remember that - thanks

Re: On tour, May 2026, Grahame
In "The Lighter Side" [374897/31997/30]
Posted by stuving at 09:53, 8th May 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
That's the western end of Rotterdam Centraal, as seen by somebody still half asleep, or from a camera with a hazy memory.

Re: Difficulty of booking international rail tickets
In "Fare's Fair" [374896/31906/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:36, 8th May 2026
 
An E* ticket to a Belgium station includes any local services for free doesn't it? So a Brussels ticket can be used for free to get to Antwerp? Or has that been stopped?

Re: Advance fares - hardly the most robust offering
In "Fare's Fair" [374895/31978/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:34, 8th May 2026
 
The 16:39 from Melksham ran on time ... then an hour to wait in Swindon for the 18:04 to Paddington. Good job I am "robust" as at around 17:30 that flagged up as "delayed".  No indication why, no indication by how much ... and so a quick trip to the staffed counter where they told me it hadn't yet left Gloucester

Glasd they provided an answer to the meaning of "delayed" - train not moving yet towards destination & until it does, we are unable to work out an estimate of the amount of delay....just still getting later basically.

Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [374892/27102/25]
Posted by RailCornwall at 09:08, 8th May 2026
 
The article and recent testing seems to indicate that at least some MCM services are to be operated by 175s. Good move if so.

On tour, May 2026, Grahame
In "The Lighter Side" [374891/31997/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:45, 8th May 2026
 
Where am I this morning?  Plenty of clues around - follow ups will get harder.



Re: Advance fares - hardly the most robust offering
In "Fare's Fair" [374890/31978/4]
Posted by grahame at 08:27, 8th May 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
Good price - but - WHY sell me a ticket that has me waiting nearly an hour at Swindon, then is followed by tight changes at Paddington and Stratford?   Would it not be logical to offer an earlier train into Paddington

Could the advance ticket quotas have sold out at the good price on the earlier trains?

Maybe ... but the GWR website [new] journey planner didn't offer any alternatives at any price.  I suspect that with a less frequent service at both ends of the journey, it skewed it towards the later trains in "the middle".   Some of our regulars from Melksham are aware that if they want to get to London earlier than the 10:02 but not pay £££ for the 08:02, they should split at Chippenham,  and use part of their saving for a coffee at the Hungry Hare.

Re: Advance fares - hardly the most robust offering
In "Fare's Fair" [374889/31978/4]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 07:53, 8th May 2026
 
Good price - but - WHY sell me a ticket that has me waiting nearly an hour at Swindon, then is followed by tight changes at Paddington and Stratford?   Would it not be logical to offer an earlier train into Paddington

Could the advance ticket quotas have sold out at the good price on the earlier trains?

Re: Advance fares - hardly the most robust offering
In "Fare's Fair" [374888/31978/4]
Posted by grahame at 04:52, 8th May 2026
 
The 16:39 from Melksham ran on time ... then an hour to wait in Swindon for the 18:04 to Paddington. Good job I am "robust" as at around 17:30 that flagged up as "delayed".  No indication why, no indication by how much ... and so a quick trip to the staffed counter where they told me it hadn't yet left Gloucester and to just jump on the next Paddington train - 17:41.  Duly done; that was on time but thank goodness I had the knowledge of systems and journey. 

As I went downstairs at Paddington, first train in a few seconds was a Shenfield and excellent time made to Stratford ... the outbound Greater Anglia platform bleak / too few seats and just a couple of bus shelters; so many trains that the Harwich train wasn't even on the board.  No coffee stand on the platform; staff backed by RPI checking all tickets.    Busy train joined for Harwich; lots of calls for a boat train and by the time we got to HPQ just a handful of us left across 10 carriages.

Noting the train was 3+2 seating with a corridor / pathway so narrow that I couldn't get through wearing my pack - first time for that problem ...

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [374887/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 22:09, 7th May 2026
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will no longer call at Kemble, Stroud and Stonehouse.
It has been delayed at Westbury and is now 29 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.

Re: Outage of Coffee Shop this afternoon, 7.5.2026
In "News, Help and Assistance" [374885/31996/29]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:12, 7th May 2026
 
The Coffee Shop was offline for a period this afternoon.  Problem identified, and up and running again.  Excuses explanation to follow ...

It was an outage, rather than an outrage. I and member ChrisB alerted grahame to the issue - which he was already working on solving.  


Re: Outage of Coffee Shop this afternoon, 7.5.2026
In "News, Help and Assistance" [374884/31996/29]
Posted by grahame at 20:11, 7th May 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Oxonhutch, Western Pathfinder, JohnM, Witham Bobby
 
The Coffee Shop was offline for a period this afternoon.  Problem identified, and up and running again.  Excuses explanation to follow once I have completed by analyse.

No data has been lost

Downtime was 15:15 to 19:45.  Reason for failure - our worker server's file systems had been set to "read only" which meant that the web server software couldn't do its bookkeeping and fell over.  It would appear that the company who hosts the server had been unable to collect their monthly fee ... don't know why, perhaps a glitch somewhere; when I went on and manually paid, it went through and I then had to nudge them to remove the block and when they has doe than restart the server and finally let the recpetionist know!

All done from Swindon Station, train to Paddington, on the platform at Stratford and now finishing up on a Greater Anglia service!

Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374883/27482/40]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:02, 7th May 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Electric train
 
Freight locomotives will I suspect move to hydrogen in place of diesel.  Also it should not be underestimated the use that batteries could be used to maintain even the heaviest of trains once on the move

I haven't done the maths, but I suspect that the energy density of a modern battery system (notwithstanding future improvement), is still greater than that of a comparable hydrogen power system.

And my current job encompasses looking for natural hydrogen resources ...

Outage of Coffee Shop this afternoon, 7.5.2026
In "News, Help and Assistance" [374882/31996/29]
Posted by grahame at 19:56, 7th May 2026
 
The Coffee Shop was offline for a period this afternoon.  Problem identified, and up and running again.  Excuses explanation to follow once I have completed by analyse.

No data has been lost

Re: Belfast-Dublin rail to receive multi-million investment
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [374881/31995/51]
Posted by JayMac at 14:31, 7th May 2026
 
No complaints about the one I'm currently on.


Re: Delays to services on all routes - 7.5.2026
In "Across the West" [374880/31992/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:02, 7th May 2026
 
Latest update - I see Gareth Dennis has been interviewed - evidently Hendy didn't have quite enough muscle to throw him under the bus completely (or train!) 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1l7eyg67v3t

Belfast-Dublin rail to receive multi-million investment
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [374879/31995/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:53, 7th May 2026
 
From the BBC:

Multi-million cross-border train contract set for sign off


Image © Translink

A multi-million pound contract for new cross-border trains is expected to be rubber stamped by Taoiseach (Irish PM) Micheál Martin during a visit to Belfast.

The Department for Infrastructure said the overall investment totals £540m, with more than £200m being contributed by the department. The Irish government will match this amount, with additional funding provided through a peace fund.

The Belfast to Dublin Enterprise fleet is due for delivery from late 2028.

It is understood the taoiseach will be joined by First Minister Michelle O'Neill and Deputy First Minister Emma Little Pengelly for the signing, along with Tanaiste (Irish Deputy PM) Simon Harris.

It is one of a number of engagements planned during the taoiseach's visit on Thursday.

Martin is also due to meet political leaders at Stormont as well as local business chiefs.


Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374878/27482/40]
Posted by Electric train at 12:41, 7th May 2026
 
I would support battery power, and partial electrification, so as to reduce miles run on battery power.
Total electrification is rather problematic due to limited clearances under bridges, but electrification of 95% of a route is much easier.
I have long been of the view that ALL new electric trains should be fitted with batteries for when the wires come down, having incurred the expense of the equipment, may as well use it.


Although battery electric units can work with wiring gaps, and it is realistic option on branches and lighter use passenger only lines.  It is not helpful on freight routes if ever intend to work heavy freight with electric locos (and plenty of routes in Somerset and Wiltshire see heavy aggregate trains) where continuous power (and of course regeneration on downhill or slowing) is important


Freight locomotives will I suspect move to hydrogen in place of diesel.  Also it should not be underestimated the use that batteries could be used to maintain even the heaviest of trains once on the move

Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374877/27482/40]
Posted by Electric train at 12:36, 7th May 2026
 
I would support battery power, and partial electrification, so as to reduce miles run on battery power.
Total electrification is rather problematic due to limited clearances under bridges, but electrification of 95% of a route is much easier.
I have long been of the view that ALL new electric trains should be fitted with batteries for when the wires come down, having incurred the expense of the equipment, may as well use it.

The new buzz words (no pun intended) is skip electrification and or gap electrification.   Basically a small area of a few miles is electrified to charge and power trains, on the third rail system talk is of removing conductor rails in some stations where there are know trespass problems especially drunken Friday and Saturday nights trespassing.

Certainly the talk is for Southern third rail train care depots to be de-electrified with the trains moving on batteries, this is to improve staff safety, with only stabling sidings remaining electrified.

It is almost certain that all future passenger rolling stock procurement will have some form of battery powered traction system, if they have a fossil fuel prime mover this is likely to be the secondary system.

Re: The bus routes linking Plymouth city streets to sandy shores
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [374876/31989/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:28, 7th May 2026
Already liked by LiskeardRich
 
There is an error in that report ...

Wot?  The BBC got it wrong??  Whatever next??? 

Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374875/27482/40]
Posted by John D at 12:27, 7th May 2026
 
I would support battery power, and partial electrification, so as to reduce miles run on battery power.
Total electrification is rather problematic due to limited clearances under bridges, but electrification of 95% of a route is much easier.
I have long been of the view that ALL new electric trains should be fitted with batteries for when the wires come down, having incurred the expense of the equipment, may as well use it.

A lot depends on age of structures:
original broad gauge was 15 feet high in centre, and 13'0.5" at 9 foot wide (which is relevant for arches). 
Later was 13'3" at centre and 11' at 9feet wide. 
Around 120 years ago height went up to 13'6" at centre.
As long ago as 1928 the then Board of Trade decided on 15' for new structures (so most of the cut off lines should be this, and steel or concrete beams were normal for new construction rather than brick or stone arches by 98 years ago.

Seems that 1950s and 1960s modernisation plan didn't envision electrification in GWR territory and number of signal gantries didn't provide clearance for electrification.  Although many of these have gone in more recent times.

Potentially there are less structures that need modifying for overhead wires (and to allow W10 or W12 container or multimode freight) on some lines than some think.

Ideally do not want unpowered sections in the wires, or worse still gaps where pantograph has to be dropped.  And of course there is now slim fixed bar which has been developed, as a realistic alternative to deeper suspended wires for use in tunnels or under tight bridges. 

Although battery electric units can work with wiring gaps, and it is realistic option on branches and lighter use passenger only lines.  It is not helpful on freight routes if ever intend to work heavy freight with electric locos (and plenty of routes in Somerset and Wiltshire see heavy aggregate trains) where continuous power (and of course regeneration on downhill or slowing) is important

 
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