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Re: How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)? In "Railway History and related topics" [362817/30423/55] Posted by ChrisB at 20:47, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Take a gander at Mark Hopwood's slides from the GWR Stakeholder conference and you can see that work is already underway within GWR/NR Western too, even before GWR is 'nationalised'.
Daryn McCombe has got the initial joint GWR/NR position.
Re: How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)? In "Railway History and related topics" [362816/30423/55] Posted by Electric train at 20:22, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'd agree with ET that reorganising is a much longer process, either way. In theory joining bits together is easier than deciding what bits to divide into. However, the new unitary GBR will have internal structure, so those decisions are still there. And the way things are done now is nothing like in the 1940s. Then, a few blokes got round a table and drew up something obvious and then did it. Now, it takes years just to decide how the new organisation should be designed, and then there's got to be consultations, and ...
The GBR process has already started, the first is South Eastern Railway (note the gap between the words South and Eastern) this a joint board of London & South Eastern Railway Limited (which operates as Southeastern TOC) and the Network Rail Kent Route.
Both NR Kent Route and the TOC employees are still employed by their respective companies with on change to T&Cs it is at Exc level where the MD of South Eastern Railway is the MD of the Southeastern TOC and the Chief Operating Officer is the NR Kent Route Director, he has all the NR Ops, NR and TOC maintenance, directors also include are the merged major stations and SE TOC managed stations director.
Currently day to day the boots on the ground have not notice much change, however as the links at senior level are cascaded down the interaction between NR and TOC will meld together the theory being a unified railway
Re: Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362815/30424/21] Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:14, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The 10:20 from Penzance to London Paddington called at Castle Cary just after 14:00. It was booked to dwell for one minute but was stopped for four.
Not surprising
Before

After

Not surprising
Before

After

Probably needed fumigating before its next journey!
Re: How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays? In "Fare's Fair" [362814/30413/4] Posted by Electric train at 20:07, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
If the delayed journeys caused by cancellations could be - say - halved, how much would it cost? Looking at the immediate economics of today's cancellation of two round trips on the Swindon to Westbury line, how much is paid out in delay / repay, how much revenue is lost because people don't even book, and how much extra is paid out for taxis and bus drivers for rail replacement services?
When the delay is attributed to Network Rail ie Schedule 8 payment that money comes out of NR's revenue, so it hits what NR earns from the track access charge, worse case it hits the renewal budge which means less older infrastructure replaced; it can also hit the maintenance budget.
The real cost is higher than the figure quoted for the compensation payment the TOC has loss of profit which is one thing that goes away under public ownership also there are TOC and NR overhead costs which will be greatly reduced under public ownership.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362813/28982/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 19:19, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This video is 2 months old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCXp9FPUm5Q&t=1010s
They must be doing something to them.
Re: Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362812/30424/21] Posted by bobm at 19:04, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The 10:20 from Penzance to London Paddington called at Castle Cary just after 14:00. It was booked to dwell for one minute but was stopped for four.
Not surprising
Before

After

The nationalisation process in 1947/8 was a takeover by compulsory purchase of shares. Its immediate result was the same as any takeover: the acquiring company via their board (or in this case the BTC) becomes the owners of each company as a subsidiary, and can install a board of directors and set about rearranging things. Initially the railways were run by the Railways Executive, mainly staffed from the senior management of the railways - who were all quite used to being directed by the government by then.
Those companies were complete railways - owning track, station, railways (and a lot more in most cases). TOCs, by design, own almost nothing - they are managerial entities with operating contracts. As such they are not being nationalised, but will be wound up following the loss of their contracts. Train operation was never really privatised, it was contracted out - unlike the trains and (unsuccessfully) the fixed infrastructure.
I'd agree with ET that reorganising is a much longer process, either way. In theory joining bits together is easier than deciding what bits to divide into. However, the new unitary GBR will have internal structure, so those decisions are still there. And the way things are done now is nothing like in the 1940s. Then, a few blokes got round a table and drew up something obvious and then did it. Now, it takes years just to decide how the new organisation should be designed, and then there's got to be consultations, and ...
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [362810/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 18:10, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
17:50 Gloucester - Salisbury "cancelled because of more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time"
(Sorry - does this count as TransWilts?)
(Sorry - does this count as TransWilts?)
Sadly, yes, Transwilts ... again ... that's the train that runs via Swindon
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [362809/29726/18] Posted by matth1j at 18:00, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
17:50 Gloucester - Salisbury "cancelled because of more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time"
(Sorry - does this count as TransWilts?)
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [362808/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:53, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 was started from Worcester Shrub Hill and will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at Hereford, Ledbury, Colwall, Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough, Didcot Parkway and London Paddington.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway earlier today.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 17:24
It will no longer call at Hereford, Ledbury, Colwall, Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough, Didcot Parkway and London Paddington.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway earlier today.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 17:24
Later:
19:53 London Paddington to Hereford due 22:57 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 19:08
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 19:08
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [362807/29711/14] Posted by charles_uk at 17:50, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In addition to the above, the 12:52 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street service was terminated at Oxford so no down services on to the north Cotswolds line for over three and a half hours.
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [362806/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 16:22, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16:16 : Disruption expected until 18:00.
13:50 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 16:15 will be diverted between Reading and Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 24 minutes late.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:53
14:53 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:04 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 14:58
15:23 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:47 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
15:18 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 17:29 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:34
15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 15:12
17:26 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 19:52 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 14:58
18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 24 minutes late.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:53
14:53 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:04 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 14:58
15:23 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:47 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
15:18 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 17:29 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:34
15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 15:12
17:26 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 19:52 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 14:58
18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a tree blocking the railway.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 16:13
London to Brighton line faces delays in heatwave - 30 June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362805/30426/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:09, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:

Rail passengers travelling between London and Brighton are being warned of delays due to the hot weather expected on Monday and Tuesday.
Temperatures could climb to 34C (93F) in the South East on Monday, and even higher on Tuesday, with an amber heat health alert in place.
Network Rail said the soaring temperatures would make the track temperature about 50C (122F), leading to blanket speed restrictions and a revised timetable.
Anyone using the Brighton Main Line commuter route is being urged to check the National Rail website before setting off.
Timetables are also available on the websites of operators, Southern, Thameslink and Gatwick Express.
A spokesman for Network Rail said: "We're sorry but this means we won't be able to run as many trains as normal and journeys will take longer. Trains that are running will also be much busier. If you are able to work from home then that may be your best option."
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [362804/29711/14] Posted by charles_uk at 14:08, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Delays to services between Shipton and Kingham
Due to a tree blocking the railway between Shipton and Kingham the line towards Worcester Shrub Hill is blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:30 30/06.
Services from Worcester towards Oxford, Reading and London Paddington are operating as normal.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:53
Due to a tree blocking the railway between Shipton and Kingham the line towards Worcester Shrub Hill is blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:30 30/06.
Services from Worcester towards Oxford, Reading and London Paddington are operating as normal.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 13:53
Re: How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays? In "Fare's Fair" [362803/30413/4] Posted by CyclingSid at 13:59, 30th June 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The not so visible cost is deterring those who see how unreliable a service is and don't travel by that means.
Did (momentarily) think of going to Weymouth. But it is not a cheap day out from Reading, and the added bonus of not knowing where I might be stuck has put me off the idea.
Re: How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)? In "Railway History and related topics" [362802/30423/55] Posted by Electric train at 13:58, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I always remember 1st January 1948 as the day the railways were nationalised and found myself musng yesterday over how long ahead of time this was planned and how long it took.
The National Archives Catalogue tells me
The Transport Bill was printed in November 1946, mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Bill1946.pdf with the act passed ane receiving royal assent 6th August 1947 and mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Act1947.pdf
The National Archives Catalogue tells me
On 19th November 1945 the Lord President of the Council, Rt Hon H.S. Morrison, MP, announced the Government's intention to bring under national ownership railways, canals and long distance road haulage undertakings and to co-ordinate road passenger transport, docks and harbour undertakings with the national schemes.
The Transport Bill was printed in November 1946, mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Bill1946.pdf with the act passed ane receiving royal assent 6th August 1947 and mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Act1947.pdf
Todays railway is more complex in its ownership, in 1947 there were only 4 companies buying out all the shares was easy as most were indebt to the Government, also the former big 4 companies pretty much continued as they did before the 1st Jan 1948, in fact BR's Regions right up to the 1980 more or less continued as separate boards
If you reflect on how long it took to privatise BR I feel this is a better measure of the time it will take to "re-nationalise" the railways and then to reshape the railways into its new operating model
Re: How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)? In "Railway History and related topics" [362801/30423/55] Posted by CyclingSid at 13:54, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Presumably quicker to privatise, as the "money" is flowing in the other direction?
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362800/28982/26] Posted by bradshaw at 13:11, 30th June 2025 Already liked by RichardB | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
According to Modern Railways-
A tender notice for the modification of Laira for '175s' and withdrawal of the Castle sets has been issued. Work set to begin next year.
https://x.com/modern_railways/status/1939627842465149298?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQRe: Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362799/30424/21] Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 12:21, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I notice to-day’s 1012 Castle Cary to Padd special - a 9 coach IET - left CC 20 late. The ECS for this service arrived on time at 1011. So notwithstanding the fact that this train would arrive to a platform full of people and rucksacks etc, the train planners allowed just 1 minute to load this train.
Why?
Re: Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362798/30424/21] Posted by Phantom at 11:51, 30th June 2025 Already liked by matth1j | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It was standing room only when I boarded the 6:46 Trowbridge-Bristol service this morning due to early risers exiting the music festival (then going back to sleep on the train). Quite a few got off at Bath though and there were a few seats after that.
It didn't help that there were only 2 carriages; sometimes there are 3. I asked the train manager about this and he said he was somewhat surprised when he saw he'd only got a short formation today. He never knows what he's going to get. Perhaps they were saving the longer trains for when it gets even busier later?
It didn't help that there were only 2 carriages; sometimes there are 3. I asked the train manager about this and he said he was somewhat surprised when he saw he'd only got a short formation today. He never knows what he's going to get. Perhaps they were saving the longer trains for when it gets even busier later?
That was the service I always used to get home, ironically got to BTM about the same time I would normally arrive when commuting to work from WSM
It was amusing passing the usual commuters at BTM in smart attire and me looking like death usually caked in mud
Re: Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362797/30424/21] Posted by Mark A at 11:39, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not sure what this is about: hope it doesn't mean that a non-passenger-service train has sat down in Castle Cary platform 3.
Mark
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U54327/2025-06-30/detailed
Freshford vehicle collides with bridge Monday 30 June In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [362796/30425/20] Posted by infoman at 11:34, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
delays expected until 13:00pm.
GWR
@GWRHelp
⚠ Travel Update - 30/06 ⚠
Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge at Freshford, the line is blocked.
Train services between Bristol Temple Meads and Westbury via Bath Spa may be cancelled, delayed or revised.
Disruption is expected until 13:00.
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [362795/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 09:53, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Monday June 30
06:43 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 08:44 will be diverted between Worcester Shrub Hill and Reading.
It has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 43 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:30
07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway due 08:46 has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 17 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:18
07:25 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:02 is being delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now expected to be 25 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:44
It has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 43 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:30
07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway due 08:46 has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 17 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:18
07:25 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:02 is being delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now expected to be 25 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:44
Though the 07:25 operates via Stroud and not via Evesham.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362794/28982/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 09:02, 30th June 2025 Already liked by RichardB | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The 002/007/009/114 are at Laira for training. There are 3 or 4 at Wolverton for refurbishment that will include livery. All the rest are at Ely until there is room at Wolverton.
Glastonbury exodus In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362793/30424/21] Posted by matth1j at 08:34, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It was standing room only when I boarded the 6:46 Trowbridge-Bristol service this morning due to early risers exiting the music festival (then going back to sleep on the train). Quite a few got off at Bath though and there were a few seats after that.
It didn't help that there were only 2 carriages; sometimes there are 3. I asked the train manager about this and he said he was somewhat surprised when he saw he'd only got a short formation today. He never knows what he's going to get. Perhaps they were saving the longer trains for when it gets even busier later?
How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)? In "Railway History and related topics" [362792/30423/55] Posted by grahame at 08:20, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I always remember 1st January 1948 as the day the railways were nationalised and found myself musng yesterday over how long ahead of time this was planned and how long it took.
The National Archives Catalogue tells me
On 19th November 1945 the Lord President of the Council, Rt Hon H.S. Morrison, MP, announced the Government's intention to bring under national ownership railways, canals and long distance road haulage undertakings and to co-ordinate road passenger transport, docks and harbour undertakings with the national schemes.
The Transport Bill was printed in November 1946, mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Bill1946.pdf with the act passed ane receiving royal assent 6th August 1947 and mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Act1947.pdf
Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362791/30386/51] Posted by Electric train at 07:46, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? Even a single 500ml bottle per drone trip would help, remembering that each drone should be able to make at least 20 trips an hour from say a nearby car park, and multiple drones could be used.
Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.
Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.
The time it would take to arrange the helo and getting the supplies of water to it the trains would have been evacuated and even the service restored.
The internal question I'm sure that will be asked was a too larger an area of traction current switched off, were there enough MOMs (mobile operations managers) available, at what stage did the incident move from Bronze Incident Command Silver
Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362790/30386/51] Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:20, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrrIRr9arkM

Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362789/30386/51] Posted by grahame at 05:08, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? ...
At Loughborough Junction - third rail - yes. More tricky with overhead electrification?
Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362788/30386/51] Posted by broadgage at 04:31, 30th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? Even a single 500ml bottle per drone trip would help, remembering that each drone should be able to make at least 20 trips an hour from say a nearby car park, and multiple drones could be used.
Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.