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Re: Spreading wings for a few days
In "Introductions and chat" [360619/30134/1]
Posted by Mark A at 14:26, 17th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad
 
To be fair, some transport hubs do provide prominent information to the effect: 'New here? Here's where to find the buses and here's information on the fares system.'


To Basingstoke and back yesterday, which was an opportunity to revisit this topic.

Changing trains at Trowbridge in the hope that the one behind was less draughty (it was, and had the second advantage that it was heading to Salisbury and not Frome), and a big tho' damp-at-the-edges spread of information on train and bus connections. Looked a bit faded, didn't check the date, hope it's current, Waterloo / Melksham tables below.



On to the comfy 158 with cheerful heating to Salisbury.

Salisbury... didn't look for the bus information and on the platform at the south side, it's not quite straightforward to check onward rail connections, I think those are only on screens by the rather tight space at the gateline which is also the access into the loooooong ramp into the underpass. The loos are signed in a different and less stand-out style to everything else and it's easy to miss those too.

Onto a three-carriage stopper from Salisbury - sitting down, another passenger asked me if she was inadvertently in 1st - not so, it's just that the seats were good. Photo of said seats below.



By Andover there was far less to be seen of the comfy seats as they were all in use and the train was feeling capacity-constrained. Several families with small and cheerful children who seemed familiar with travelling by train and were making the most of it and a chap who was heading to Newcastle (on Tyne), Crosscountry rather than up to London and the East Coast.

Basingstoke is pretty good... out of the station entrance, and, front and centre, and facing the arrivals there's a very prominent screen with times of the next bus to various destinations. (Photo below, though the content of the screen outpaced the camera). What was also good was that the vehicle lane across the station entrance was permanently closed off so the area was vehicle-free and quiet, the buses were in clear sight in front of the station at the foot of the ramped and stepped slope there.



At Basingstoke there was the opportunity to see more than a trace of the canal and very close to the town centre - the canal bed, filled, is a road, and the towpath hedge still thrives at the top of the canal's embankment, as the boundary between road and Eastrop Park there.



The return journey worked though took ages as the connection was of the fifty-something minute variety: my fault as I'd forgotten that some of these still existed and hadn't checked the trains in advance of travel. This provided an opportunity for a little reflection on the GWR's prescence in Basingstoke, the most prominent relic perhaps being the derelict 'Great Western Hotel' on the north side of the station.

Mark




Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360618/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 14:25, 17th April 2025
 
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57

13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57 has been delayed at Swindon and is now 20 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.

14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00

14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be starting late from Westbury and is expected to be 5 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360617/10737/21]
Posted by Phantom at 14:25, 17th April 2025
 
A different angle of the roof at BTM today


Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360616/3828/25]
Posted by froome at 14:12, 17th April 2025
 
Lifts still not commissioned. Bus from down side to upside/branch has been booked for the summer season.

Do visitors not go to St Ives in the winter as well? We went there in March, and had this shuttle service existed then, our experience would have been much improved.

Re: Cambridge Guided Busway - ongoing discussion and updates (merged topic)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360615/3987/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:19, 17th April 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Driver critical as fire engine and buses crash

A bus driver is in a critical condition after a "major collision" between a fire engine and two guided buses.

It happened on the B1050 Station Road at the junction with the Busway in Northstowe, near Cambridge, shortly after 14:00 BST on Wednesday.

The 44-year-old woman, from Gedney Hill near Spalding, Lincolnshire, received serious injuries and remained in hospital, Cambridgeshire Police said. Ten other people taken to hospital had minor injuries, the force added.

A fire engine had been responding to an incident travelling north when it crashed with a single-decker Stagecoach bus travelling towards St Ives. A similar bus travelling in the opposite direction was also involved.

Eleven people were taken to Cambridge's Addenbrooke's Hospital, including the driver of the second bus.

Det Insp Garry Webb said no arrests had been made. "This was a major collision which has seen numerous people left injured," he said. "I would like to hear from anyone who has yet to speak to officers about the collision."

Cambridgeshire Fire and Rescue Service said three firefighters were on board the engine. Two received minor injuries and one of them was taken to hospital for a precautionary check, but has since been released.

The road and Busway have since reopened.

(Article continues)


Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360614/3828/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:09, 17th April 2025
 
Thank you, Richard. 

CfN. 

Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360613/3828/25]
Posted by RichardB at 13:07, 17th April 2025
 
Really is time for some stirring on this, major embarassment for someone, surely some resolution could bave been sorted by now. Last I heard it was power supply issues but .....

It still is power supply problems.  National Grid have a very long lead time and I know Cornwall Council have been trying to get things speeded up.  The last update I had was a little while ago so I'll ask the question about the current situation and when it is likely to be resolved and the lifts fully operational. 

Richard Burningham
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership

Man distraught after late wife's bus pass seized - Devon, April 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360612/30157/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:52, 17th April 2025
 
From the BBC:



A man from Devon said a "total mistake" left him upset as he lost a treasured item that belonged to his late wife.

Clive Angior, 81, from Plympton, said he was heading home on a bus from Royal Parade in Plymouth city centre when he inadvertently showed his wife's bus pass instead of his own.

He said he carried the pass for sentimental reasons but the "driver seized it" and would not return it.

Stagecoach South West said that "if a concession pass is identified as expired, their current process is that drivers retain the pass and return to the local authority in that area". However, Mr Angior has been given a copy of its photograph.

Mr Angior said he and his wife Maureen were married for 38 years before she died in 2023. He added that he carried her old bus pass with him in his pocket as a "permanent reminder of her" as "they used to travel on the bus together".

He said he accidently placed his wife's pass on the vehicle's card reader instead of his own.  "The driver immediately spotted that it had expired and said he was seizing the pass as its now council property," he said.

Mr Angior added that he used his own pass and continued with the journey but asked several times if he could have his wife's pass back but was told no. He said he told the driver that it was "really important" to him and asked if he could make an "exception" to the rule but the driver refused.

Stagecoach said they "understand the sentimental value of the pass" and contacted the council in an "attempt to reunite it with the passenger."

Plymouth City Council added that it contacted Mr Angior directly and said it could not provide him with the original pass as it was likely "destroyed or lost."  The authority agreed to send a copy of the photo that was on the pass.

Mr Angior said he "accepted the fact he wouldn't get the pass back" but was "very happy with the compromise" that was reached.



Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360611/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 12:26, 17th April 2025
 
Wednesday April 16

Problems with level crossing barriers at Newlands (between Foregate St and Malvern Link).

1P28 11:57 Great Malvern to London Paddington (14:23) departed +20, arrived +18.

1W21 1053 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill (13:01) : held at Evesham for 1P28 (+17), arrived +21.

Thursday April 17

13:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 16:24 will be terminated at Reading.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:17/04/2025 10:22

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [360610/593/9]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:17, 17th April 2025
 
From the BBC:

Business owner 'willing to go to jail' over rates

An Oxford business owner said he could be willing to go to jail after he and other traders boycotted paying their business rates because of ongoing disruption on a key route.

Botley Road has been closed since April 2023 as part of Network Rail's ongoing £161m project to upgrade Oxford Station and is expected to reopen in August 2026.

Five businesses affected by the closure stopped paying their business rates and say they will not pay them until they get further financial support.

[SNIP]

A VOA spokesperson said: "We cannot comment on individual cases. If there has been a change to a property or its surrounding area, a business can report this to us, and we will assess if the rateable value should be reduced. We encourage any business who thinks that their rateable value is too high to let us know using our online service."




I wish the very best of luck to anyone trying to get sense out of the VOA.  Personal experience attests to their inability to listen, understand or act.  My own business has been overpaying massive business rates since the last revaluation.  That they all seem to be shirking from home does not help.  Phones not answered, emails not responded to, no individual handling the case and taking responsibility.  Buck passing writ large

Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [360609/593/9]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:29, 17th April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
From the BBC:

Business owner 'willing to go to jail' over rates

An Oxford business owner said he could be willing to go to jail after he and other traders boycotted paying their business rates because of ongoing disruption on a key route.

Botley Road has been closed since April 2023 as part of Network Rail's ongoing £161m project to upgrade Oxford Station and is expected to reopen in August 2026.

Five businesses affected by the closure stopped paying their business rates and say they will not pay them until they get further financial support.

Tom Rainey, who runs The Porter House restaurant and hotel and The Punter pub, said it was "shocking" that businesses were being charged the full amount in business rates. He said it would "not take much brains" to create some form of exemption.

Business rates are collected by Oxford City Council on behalf of the government, which set the rates and keep most of the income. Decisions over changes to business rate charges are made by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA).

The council says it has supported businesses in applying for hardship funding.

However, Mr Rainey said he had applied to city council's hardship fund and received no response from the authority since November. He then found he would have to go to the VOA first to apply for relief, but his application was refused. Despite making two appeals to VOA's decision, he has still not heard anything.

"We are just passed around in this vicious circle because no-one actually cares," Mr Rainey said. "I find it more stomach-wrenching that we are actually paying business rates than the money we are losing. Oxford City Council is giving us absolutely nothing, and the VOA is just a waiting game. They are hiding behind bureaucracy. Not one person has offered us anything, and therefore we believe the only option is to make a stand."

The city council has not acted yet but Mr Rainey said he expected them to produce paperwork within the next few weeks. "Knowing the city council, they will have us in the magistrates' court by May." he added. While he admitted it was "a bit extreme", he said: "If I end up with a jail term, then I would accept that".

The group of traders, who are part of the Botley Road Independent Traders Association (BRITA), include The Porter House, The Punter, First Stop Spannerworks, The Westgate Hotel and Pack & Send.

Zack Iqbal, owner of First Stop Spannerworks, said he would take part in the boycott to "highlight the strain that Botley Road businesses are under".

An Oxford City Council spokesperson said: "The council understands the seriously negative impact that the long-term disruption of Botley Road is having on local businesses and is committed to doing what it can to help, within the limits of its powers. The council is responsible for collecting business rates on behalf of the government, which then retains the majority of the income. The rate is also set by central government. Decisions on changes to business rate charges are made by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) through an independent process, with each case assessed on its own merits."

A VOA spokesperson said: "We cannot comment on individual cases. If there has been a change to a property or its surrounding area, a business can report this to us, and we will assess if the rateable value should be reduced. We encourage any business who thinks that their rateable value is too high to let us know using our online service."



Re: Cambridge Guided Busway - ongoing discussion and updates (merged topic)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360608/3987/5]
Posted by stuving at 11:24, 17th April 2025
 
they are so quick in changing from the road to the guided bus that I'm surprised there hasn't been more crashes there.

I notice that some traffic lights in Reading seem to have been changed to very short phase and cycle times. Doesn't do much for the safety of cyclists. Is this just the normal attitude of Reading BC to cyclists, or does the quote above suggest that there has been a national direction.

I think it's more likely that Siemens ITS have been offering the councils that run traffic lights new options for fancy software. Like "optimised" and "adaptive" timing and linking over wider ares (and inevitably in the cloud too). I assume that this "quick" change isn't shorter in itself, it's the green before it that is shorter than expected. Or is it?

Re: Open consultation - A railway fit for Britain's future - closes 15th April 2025
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [360607/29916/40]
Posted by grahame at 09:19, 17th April 2025

Re: Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360606/5508/26]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 08:14, 17th April 2025
 
Hmm, breakfast at a steady 90 km/h this morning.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360605/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 07:59, 17th April 2025
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

Facilities on the 06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 2.

Happy with that ... and if it weren't school holidays that would be very welcome indeed beyond Swindon

Re: [otd] 17th April 2010 - foundation meeting of TransWilts CRP
In "TransWilts line" [360604/27401/18]
Posted by grahame at 07:46, 17th April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
An updated / new thread on this which takes positive look after 15 years - just started at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30156.msg360603 and I will make sure that thread's the one that comes up on future 17ths of Aprils.

Fifteen years of the Transwilts CRP
In "TransWilts line" [360603/30156/18]
Posted by grahame at 07:43, 17th April 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Mark A, Witham Bobby, RichardB, Chris from Nailsea, Fourbee, eightonedee, froome
 
Fifteen years today since the formation committee meeting of the TransWilts CRP (17th April 2010), signalling our community group was moving on from being foremost a campaign group to foremost more positively a partnership.

I was on the train on Tuesday at 09:10 from Melksham to Trowbridge and it carried 36 other passengers, 7 of whom had joined at Melksham.  A further six left the train, so that was 42 customers on the section unique to the TransWilts line, 13 of whom used the service to get to or from Melksham.  [42/13] in the way we log it.   On the train met the station manager from Westbury and his deputy - good "hello" and chat but see them and well enough in touch not to enforce a campaigner's meeting on them.  Met volunteers on the station garden at Bradford-on-Avon and again chats and a bit (but not much) more - WWRUG newsletter discussed and the station looks lovely.

I returned from Oldfield Park at 15:59 (Canal and Two Tunnels walk to get there) via Trowbridge and arrived Melksham at 16:38 - 35 passengers onto the train into Melksham, 8 got off, 6 joined, so 41 users of whom 14 were Melksham users - so that's [41/14]. Local trains and connections all on time.

Yesterday (Wednesday) I did my daily mile (plus) walk which I tuned to take me past the station to see the newly installed IET stop boards which will allow long distance trains to stop at times of diversion rather that it always being buses and taxis.  We'll see how that works out - an ongoing story.

We have achieved (or rather we have helped the railway and common sense achieve) a lot over the 15 years and I will follow up writing more as I move from being too-occupied as a Town Councillor back to being an active advocate and assistant for public transport.

I celebrate the rise from 2 trains each way per day to 9 on Monday to Friday, and 7 on Saturday and Sunday, and the 20-fold increase in passengers this has brought. The client base very much needs the train - there is a heavy proportion who cannot drive and so it's still very much a social service as well as being a more environmental way than a private car.  But it needs to step up in frequency, and it's not always as reliable as it should be (I am very used to waiting between 1 and 2 hours at Westbury when an official connection misses), and access to the station in Melksham needs to improve.  Going well - but work in progress, and I'm looking forward to doing so much more of that work in coming months and years.  With buses as well as with trains, and as part of the network over the whole area and indeed region.

grahame@Kryten apr%

Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360602/3828/25]
Posted by CyclingSid at 06:26, 17th April 2025
 
I believe the Great Western Railway used to run buses. Like a few railway companies they tended to be multi-modal operators, most notably the coastal ones running ferry services.

Re: Cambridge Guided Busway - ongoing discussion and updates (merged topic)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360601/3987/5]
Posted by CyclingSid at 06:21, 17th April 2025
 
they are so quick in changing from the road to the guided bus that I'm surprised there hasn't been more crashes there.

I notice that some traffic lights in Reading seem to have been changed to very short phase and cycle times. Doesn't do much for the safety of cyclists. Is this just the normal attitude of Reading BC to cyclists, or does the quote above suggest that there has been a national direction.

Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360600/30153/26]
Posted by stuving at 00:03, 17th April 2025
 
The full-year trading update, which was the main topic of those news reports, is short. It's only about the same length as each article, so they mostly just repeat its content.

There was also some mention of First Group's submission to the consultation on the Railways Bill here:
From Business Live, via MSN
In comments to the DfT submitted on Monday, Firstgroup expressed apprehension that GBR could display "adverse monopolistic" behaviour, advocating for the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) regulator, responsible for approving new routes, to be "empowered to adjudicate fairly and impartially with fair, transparent and open decision-making."

That submission is 22 pages, and hard to summarise as it answers the questions in order. Much of it does, as suggested, argue the case for open access to be maintained, with the ORR seen as a neutral referee to protect it. They also make a case for the passenger to have official allies:
4.1 First Group support a strengthened role for a passenger watchdog in the form of the Passenger Standards Authority (PSA). However, we are concerned at a macro level that the passenger is under-represented in the proposed industry structure given:
...
6.1 FirstGroup supports the continuation of a common Rail Ombudsman (RO) service across all operators, and we would expect GBR to be subject to the RO service on the same terms as other operators.


Yesterday's Times had quite a long article - over half a page - specifically on the case made for open access, and how important that will be for First once its service contracts end.

Re: Cambridge Guided Busway - ongoing discussion and updates (merged topic)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360598/3987/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:19, 16th April 2025
 
Another update, from the BBC:

Eleven in hospital as buses and fire engine crash



Eleven people have been taken to hospital after a crash between two guided buses and a fire engine.

It happened on the B1050 Station Road at the junction with the Busway in Northstowe, near Cambridge, shortly after 14:00 BST.

Cambridgeshire County Council said the road had been closed in both directions and buses, which use dedicated lanes, had been diverted.

An eyewitness to the aftermath of the collision said it looked "pretty horrendous".

The Busway lanes/tracks have raised concrete sides, which can only be used by modified vehicles, although they have junctions with normal roads.

An East of England Ambulance Service spokesman said four ambulances, three Hazardous Area Response Team vehicles, two paramedic cars and helicopters from the East Anglian Air Ambulance and MAGPAS were sent.

The council said it was working with the emergency services and the bus operator. The authority added that a diversion route was in place via Longstanton roundabout to the A1307 at Swavesey crossroads.

Ian Missen saw the aftermath of the crash and said it was "pretty horrendous".  "There was two buses and a fire engine and it looked like the fire engine had hit one bus which pushed that bus into another bus," he said. "The traffic lights at the Northstowe guided bus – they are so quick in changing from the road to the guided bus that I'm surprised there hasn't been more crashes there. It was on the B1050 between Northstowe and Willingham... closer to Northstowe than Willingham."



At a crown court hearing earlier on Wednesday, the council was fined £6m after three deaths on The Busway, which offers three routes in Cambridge with links to Huntingdon and St Ives. Judge Mark Bishop criticised the authority for its "rigid and blinkered response" to the fatalities, as well as numerous near-misses and accidents. The authority had previously admitted two safety breaches and said it was "truly sorry".



Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360597/3828/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:09, 16th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, GBM
 
Here you go:

 


Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360596/3828/25]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:06, 16th April 2025
 
Is the bus wheelchair friendly?

Yes, it’s an Optare solo, that First have had painted into GWR colours for the last 2 years for the contract.

Google search “First bus 53865” to see the bus that’s identifying as a train.

Re: Too young to travel on that ticket?
In "Fare's Fair" [360595/30155/4]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:04, 16th April 2025
 
Stagecoach southwest have amended their family tickets to become a group ticket. It covers up to  5 people of any age. The requirement for some to be children has been removed.

Re: Spreading wings for a few days
In "Introductions and chat" [360593/30134/1]
Posted by grahame at 21:36, 16th April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
I have been asked about the name "Kryten" ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryten and https://reddwarf.fandom.com/wiki/Kryten

Kryten 2X4B 523P, B.S. (Bachelor of Sanitation) is a Series 4000 mechanoid or 'slave 'noid'. He is very humanoid, with the exception of the flat cubic planes visible on his face and head. His brain is synthetic yet also partly organic, based on that of John Warburton.

Once the personal servant of three female crew members of Nova 5, he is now reduced to serving the slobbish Dave Lister, the only surviving human crew member on Red Dwarf. He was also on SS Augustus before Nova 5, but the crew died of old age. After his rescue from Nova 5, Kryten becomes a vital crew member of Red Dwarf, serving as science officer.

A neurotic mechanoid obsessed with cleaning and being a slave to humans, Kryten, with the help of Dave Lister, learns to break many of his programming protocols to become more independent and human-like.

Re: Too young to travel on that ticket?
In "Fare's Fair" [360591/30155/4]
Posted by grahame at 21:26, 16th April 2025
Already liked by PhilWakely, Worcester_Passenger
 
What the story doesn’t say is how much an adult ticket is.  Most family tickets are more expensive, even if only slightly, than an adult travelling on their own.


If you're travelling as a single parent with a four year old (something I did many years ago), if you have a family and friends railcard it is cheaper to use that and have the "baby" travel on a child ticket.

I have just checked this - Melksham to Llanwrda - single for 1 adult, £43.90. ... single for 1 adult + 1 child on a railcard - £37.50. .... HOWEVER - the GWR booking engine does not help me find this.  It asks me how many children aged 5-15 and I have to know that a child under 5 can travel on one of these tickets.  There's no box on there for me to specify number of babies to help me get the best fare.  I'm sure a manned ticket office would have helped me get the best fare!

 
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