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Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [366381/29711/14] Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 23:01, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"Short run" in both senses, because it was five carriages rather than nine. Looked like it was about to get very cosy at Oxford on its return journey.
(I caught the same train both from Oxford to Charlbury at 1.10pm-ish and then from Charlbury to Oxford at 5.12pm for, well, reasons.)
Re: For those of our members / readers who don't like coal fired power stations ... In "The Lighter Side" [366380/30850/30] Posted by stuving at 22:50, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Lest you get the idea that those absorbers demolished last year were part of the original 1961-1966 build, they were in fact part of the flue gas desulphurisation system installed 2000-2003 (along with new chimneys). You may recall that our Scandinavian friends had been complaining for many years about acid rain, and this was the response.
Note that West Burton B plant was planned later on, to be equipped with FDG from the start, but was never built and that name now applies to a gas power station (CCGT).
Re: Railfuture, Severnside - 18th October 2025 In "Diary - what's happening when?" [366379/30845/34] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:33, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't think the answer is online: I couldn't find anything, either.

For those of our members / readers who don't like coal fired power stations ... In "The Lighter Side" [366378/30850/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:29, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
... and I understand there are a few of you

Video coverage, from the BBC.

A "triple explosive demolition" has taken place at what was one of the last remaining coal-fired power stations in the UK.
Footage showed the moment two absorbers and a coal boom stacker were demolished at West Burton A power station on Thursday morning, as part of work to turn the site into the UK's first prototype commercial nuclear fusion reactor.
Constructed in 1961, the plant was situated in "Megawatt Valley", near the River Trent, where the cooling towers of 14 power stations once dominated the landscape.
The plant closed in March 2023 and the site is due to be cleared by 2028.
Footage showed the moment two absorbers and a coal boom stacker were demolished at West Burton A power station on Thursday morning, as part of work to turn the site into the UK's first prototype commercial nuclear fusion reactor.
Constructed in 1961, the plant was situated in "Megawatt Valley", near the River Trent, where the cooling towers of 14 power stations once dominated the landscape.
The plant closed in March 2023 and the site is due to be cleared by 2028.
It's a video report, so you will need to click on the link to the BBC to
I've watched it three times now: I think it's great! CfN.

From the BBC:

Under the new scheme motorists on Adams Road will give way to cyclists
A road is being transformed into "England's first official Cycle Street" to give cyclists and pedestrians priority over motorists.
Adams Road is one of the busiest cycle routes in Cambridge, used daily by about 3,000 cyclists at peak times and connecting the West Cambridge site to the city centre.
The redesign would see on-road parking removed, junctions reconfigured to slow traffic, and raised crossings and wider footpaths installed for pedestrian safety.
Construction on the Greater Cambridge Partnership (GCP) project will start on 13 October and is expected to last about 30 weeks.
The transformation is part of the GCP's Comberton Greenway initiative, to improve sustainable travel across the region. It said the project would be "England's first official Cycle Street".
Motorists would still have access to the road, but must give way to cyclists.
Brian Milnes, councillor and chair of the GCP, said there would be temporary disruption, but the project was about "making everyday journeys safer and easier for everyone".
"We've heard too many stories of cyclists being knocked off their bikes and car doors suddenly opening into their path, while elderly and vulnerable residents have to step into the road just to get around bins or parked cars," Milnes said. "That shouldn't be the reality on one of Cambridge's busiest cycling routes."
As part of the changed, much of the on-road parking would be removed to stop blind spots for drivers leaving driveways and reduce the risk of car doors opening into the path of cyclists.
Dan Strauss, representing residents in the area, said fast traffic, crowded pavements and constant near misses turned the busy cycle route "into an unsafe experience".
"Change is so needed," he said. "Adams Road is a cycling success story but as it's got busier, hundreds of parked cars are creating blind spots for motorists, pedestrians and cyclists. As well as this, parents worry about letting children ride bikes or scooters, and families have watched loved ones using mobility aids forced to navigate one obstacle after another on narrow pavements."
Camcycle's Anna Williams also praised the initiative and hoped it would encourage people to choose active travel for their everyday journeys.
Alongside the road upgrades, rain gardens and green planting would also be introduced to manage rainwater and boost biodiversity.
The Comberton Greenway is one of 12 routes being developed to connect Cambridge with surrounding villages.
Re: Railfuture, Severnside - 18th October 2025 In "Diary - what's happening when?" [366376/30845/34] Posted by grahame at 22:15, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Railfuture Severnside have an e-mail address:
Contact Railfuture Severnside
Email: severnside@railfuture.org.uk
You could try a direct approach to ask them.
CfN.
Contact Railfuture Severnside
Email: severnside@railfuture.org.uk
You could try a direct approach to ask them.
CfN.

I hate troubling them when the answer's probably online and I'm just overlooking it
Re: Railfuture, Severnside - 18th October 2025 In "Diary - what's happening when?" [366375/30845/34] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:06, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Railfuture Severnside have an e-mail address:
Contact Railfuture Severnside
Email: severnside@railfuture.org.uk
You could try a direct approach to ask them.
CfN.

Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [366374/30846/50] Posted by grahame at 22:00, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
... With a bike theft though it's much quicker to home in. Assuming it's a digital recording rather than (surely not!) a physical tape you skip to the midpoint of the time between it being left and found stolen ...
Yes, presuming that the parked / moored bicycle was in view of the webcam. One of our guests had a bike stolen (not from our place) but the webcam was capturing only the way in and out of the racks - not on all the racks themselves, and so a binary chop would not have worked.
Re: Railfuture, Severnside - 18th October 2025 In "Diary - what's happening when?" [366373/30845/34] Posted by grahame at 21:46, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://www.railfuture.org.uk/Severnside+Branch
Railfuture Severnside is planning a get-together for its members. The meeting will be held at 2pm on Saturday 18th October at The Railway Inn which is right next to Yatton station. Guest speaker, TBC, will be a BBC presenter who has been working on a rail documentary.".
I note "for its members". I am no longer an individual member - although the West Wiltshire Rail User Group has joined as a corporate / affiliated group member, and at last night's committee meeting of WWRUG I was nominated to attend. I have been searching online for more details ... failed to find anything. Are there any individual members on here - or officers of the branch - who can point me to a URL or data to confirm the invite scope?
New Devon & Cornwall Police £350k patrol boat to help fight offshore crime In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [366372/30848/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:36, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:

Neptune is equipped with a long-range infrared camera and an underwater drone
Police have launched a new £350,000 patrol boat to combat criminals behind drug smuggling, illegal immigration and other maritime crime in Devon and Cornwall.
Neptune replaces older inflatable boats allowing officers to operate in harsher conditions and for longer, said the Devon and Cornwall force.
The 36ft (11m) vessel, which was paid for by the Home Office, is equipped with a long-range infrared camera and an underwater drone. The vessel will also be used to deter illegal diving around historic wrecks and war graves, and will be used for water-based searches, said police.
Chief Constable James Vaughan said at a launch in Plymouth said police were "seeing threats from serious and organised crime groups involved in immigration and modern slavery".
"Intelligence suggests that people smugglers and drug smugglers are coming further down the south coast as activity intensifies around the Channel coasts," he said. "It has been pushed down into Sussex and Dorset and Devon and Cornwall. It's important, which is why the Home Office has funded vessels, both here and in other south coast police forces, to help us work together."
He hailed Neptune as a "serious vessel giving us both offshore and inshore capability" across 700 miles of coastline and 4,000 miles of rivers. "Having this capability helps us work with Border Force, the National Crime Agency, and regional units to tackle these national and international threats," he said.
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366371/30842/5] Posted by grahame at 21:13, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I must admit as I was posting that comment I thought I was leaving myself open for that comment.
With changing trends I wonder how long it will be before Sunday services come closer to the rest of the week bar some peak hour runs.
With changing trends I wonder how long it will be before Sunday services come closer to the rest of the week bar some peak hour runs.
Sunday buses have massively changed over the last couple of years for the better. In Melksham during the day, we now have roughly 4 departures an hour - one each to Bath, Devizes, Chippenham and Trowbridge. Which is different to 1 an hour - alternately to Devizes and Bath. And I hear reports of full-and-standing.
Extra SATURDAY evening services on Devizes to Bath and I have used a couple of them - not the one I expect to be busiest, but never the less decent loading.
To come next (in no particular order)
* Sunday evening on 273
* All evenings on x34
* Sunday x34 to extend to Trinity Church
* Melksham second town bus for "route 16" - Railway Station to Police Station (and important places between!!)
Re: Cornwall's tourist board goes into liquidation In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [366370/15277/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:49, 2nd October 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
The official tourist board of Cornwall has entered voluntary liquidation, the organisation has confirmed.
A spokesperson for Visit Cornwall said the decision was due to "insurmountable financial problems". It comes after a business review and organisational changes instigated by the board in August. The spokesperson said it had been an "incredibly difficult decision" but was "the only responsible choice" and they "needed to take it before another round of membership payments was due in two months".
Chairman of the board Jon Hyatt said non-executive voluntary directors had worked "tirelessly, in an extremely challenging environment, to create a long-term sustainable future for Visit Cornwall". He said the board had explored "every avenue possible".
"We're desperately disappointed to say that today Visit Cornwall is entering into voluntary liquidation," he said. Mr Hyatt said grants from the government's Shared Prosperity Fund had been "vital" to Visit Cornwall for the past four years. The fund ends in March 2026 with no signs of a replacement programme, he added.
Along with government money, Visit Cornwall also receives funding through members and partners with the aim of promoting Cornwall as a desirable destination.
Mr Hyatt said there was an opportunity for others to "create a new voice" for the sector. He said: "We believe that there is potential for a new organisation to be that voice based on membership and business income alone, and not reliant on grant funding. While we represent more than 500 members, there are many more businesses that could be members of an organisation like this and a number of potential partnerships to explore. That was our goal and the need of the visitor economy and your support for Visit Cornwall gave us the drive to keep working to the last."
(BBC article continues)
A spokesperson for Visit Cornwall said the decision was due to "insurmountable financial problems". It comes after a business review and organisational changes instigated by the board in August. The spokesperson said it had been an "incredibly difficult decision" but was "the only responsible choice" and they "needed to take it before another round of membership payments was due in two months".
Chairman of the board Jon Hyatt said non-executive voluntary directors had worked "tirelessly, in an extremely challenging environment, to create a long-term sustainable future for Visit Cornwall". He said the board had explored "every avenue possible".
"We're desperately disappointed to say that today Visit Cornwall is entering into voluntary liquidation," he said. Mr Hyatt said grants from the government's Shared Prosperity Fund had been "vital" to Visit Cornwall for the past four years. The fund ends in March 2026 with no signs of a replacement programme, he added.
Along with government money, Visit Cornwall also receives funding through members and partners with the aim of promoting Cornwall as a desirable destination.
Mr Hyatt said there was an opportunity for others to "create a new voice" for the sector. He said: "We believe that there is potential for a new organisation to be that voice based on membership and business income alone, and not reliant on grant funding. While we represent more than 500 members, there are many more businesses that could be members of an organisation like this and a number of potential partnerships to explore. That was our goal and the need of the visitor economy and your support for Visit Cornwall gave us the drive to keep working to the last."
(BBC article continues)
Re: First Electric freight train on GWML - 30th September 2025 In "Across the West" [366369/30840/26] Posted by ray951 at 20:24, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
For those who missed the action over the last 2 nights, you will be glad to know that it is running again tonight (2/10/2025) and tomorrow (3/10/2025).
This time it is using 99001, 99002 and 69010
Timings are
Thursday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R15439/2025-10-02/detailed#allox_id=0
Friday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R15478/2025-10-03/detailed
To give you an idea of the timings it is passing through Didcot on the outward service at 23:32 tonight and on the return 20:51 tomorrow.
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366368/30842/5] Posted by bobm at 20:13, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I must admit as I was posting that comment I thought I was leaving myself open for that comment.
With changing trends I wonder how long it will be before Sunday services come closer to the rest of the week bar some peak hour runs.
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366367/30842/5] Posted by grahame at 20:07, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
For any services running late on Sundays, they won't be stopping in any event.
Manvers Street will be closed between 20:00 and 05:00 on Sunday 5th, Sunday 12th and Sunday 19th October to facilitate carriageway works.
Manvers Street will be closed between 20:00 and 05:00 on Sunday 5th, Sunday 12th and Sunday 19th October to facilitate carriageway works.
For anyone looking to connect into th 271/2/3 to Box, Atworth, Melksham, Bowerhill and Devizes - grouriously immaterial as there id no service on a Sunday evening And the first bus on a Monday morning doesn't pass the Manvers Street stop (but not stop) until 07:47. A Sunday evening service would be very useful indeed; an early morning service really not on the "would be used" radar!
Hmm. The reference to a timescale for looking at CCTV makes some sense for (say) a pickpocketing incident, where you would have to watch the entire footage until the event happened. With a bike theft though it's much quicker to home in. Assuming it's a digital recording rather than (surely not!) a physical tape you skip to the midpoint of the time between it being left and found stolen, then back to the middle of the first half if the bike was already gone or on to the middle of the second half if still there, then repeat the process until you've only got a few minutes to watch. You can cut a 12 hour window down to a few minutes with half a dozen mouse clicks. Sounds like someone has come up with a lazy blanket rule for all "minor" crimes.
Re: Bristol First Bus drivers strike action - 16 to 19 Sep and 1 to 14 Oct 2025 In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [366365/30551/21] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:51, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
Bus strikes off as driver pay agreement reached
Strike action by 600 bus drivers has been called off after workers accepted a new pay deal.
First Bus drivers working the City Line had previously walked out from 19 to 22 September, causing mass disruption to inner-city services in Bristol.
First West of England previously would not commit to backpay - but Unite union says a deal has now been reached on an 8.6% pay increase for the last two years.
The bus company said it was "pleased to be able to continue providing regular bus services" and thanked customers for their patience.
The bus drivers work for the Lawrence Hill and Hengrove Bus depots, which serve Bristol city centre, Bristol Airport and Amazon's Bristol warehouse and local schools and universities.
Unite said drivers had faced below-inflation pay rises for the past three years and began calling for a fair and sustainable wage agreement.
Unite announced earlier that workers at the City Line will now get £250 non-consolidated backpay and their rest day working pay has gone up by 50p to £1.51 per hour, the union said.
Drivers will receive an increase from £16 an hour to £16.50 backdated to 1 April.
This goes up to £17 an hour backdated to 28 September, before workers have another rise to £17.40 an hour from 1 April 2025.
(BBC article continues)
Strike action by 600 bus drivers has been called off after workers accepted a new pay deal.
First Bus drivers working the City Line had previously walked out from 19 to 22 September, causing mass disruption to inner-city services in Bristol.
First West of England previously would not commit to backpay - but Unite union says a deal has now been reached on an 8.6% pay increase for the last two years.
The bus company said it was "pleased to be able to continue providing regular bus services" and thanked customers for their patience.
The bus drivers work for the Lawrence Hill and Hengrove Bus depots, which serve Bristol city centre, Bristol Airport and Amazon's Bristol warehouse and local schools and universities.
Unite said drivers had faced below-inflation pay rises for the past three years and began calling for a fair and sustainable wage agreement.
Unite announced earlier that workers at the City Line will now get £250 non-consolidated backpay and their rest day working pay has gone up by 50p to £1.51 per hour, the union said.
Drivers will receive an increase from £16 an hour to £16.50 backdated to 1 April.
This goes up to £17 an hour backdated to 28 September, before workers have another rise to £17.40 an hour from 1 April 2025.
(BBC article continues)
Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [366364/30846/50] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:25, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:

Thousands of bikes are stolen every year from outside stations
The British Transport Police (BTP) says it will not investigate bike thefts outside stations where the bicycle has been left for more than two hours.
It means most bike thefts will not be investigated and CCTV footage will not be looked at outside a two-hour timeframe.
Commuters leave thousands of cycles on racks outside stations every day, including in specially built bike parks with CCTV. Critics say the BTP policy means those facilities are not secure and theft has effectively been decriminalised.
The BTP said: "The more time our officers spend reviewing CCTV... the less time they have available for patrolling railway stations and trains, investigating crimes which cause the most harm."
Simon Feldman has had one bike taken already from outside Watford Junction station and an attempt was made recently to steal another. He informed the BTP, which told him officers would not investigate the theft - which happened while he was on shift in London - as he had left the bike at the station for 10 hours.
"The BTP report came back after I reported it and it said they wouldn't investigate it. Even though it's right under a camera. And I found out that if you have left your bike for more than two hours, they won't investigate it," he said. "I was pretty shocked because what it's doing effectively is decriminalising bike theft and I realised how many people are being affected by this."
Mr Feldman said most secure parking was next to useless. "Lots of people across the country cycle to a station every day and their possessions aren't being looked after. They're not safe. Hundreds of thousands of pounds are being thrown into secure bike parking and it isn't secure," he said. "These cameras, you could put a bag over them and that would be exactly the same purpose they serve. The footage is never watched, the footage isn't monitored so the cameras don't do anything, so the thieves are so confident now they just take the bikes in broad daylight.
"The answer is a tough one. British Transport Police should look into these crimes but there are so few of them these days, maybe it's time British Transport Police said 'we can't do these any more' and hand it over to the local police."
In a list of crimes the BTP will not investigate, it also said thefts on trains should only be reported if the passenger knows the exact carriage.
Any bikes stolen worth less than £200 will not be investigated, neither will car thefts if the vehicle has been left for more than two hours.

A breakdown from BTP of which crimes would not be investigated
Tom Fyans, from the London Cycling Campaign, said more enforcement was critical. "A lack of secure cycle parking at stations and next to no action against thieves leaves London way behind the Netherlands where nearly half of trips to stations are by bike," he said. "Many victims of theft in the capital just stop cycling - if we want to reduce car trips in London and encourage cycling we have to redouble enforcement against cycle theft."
A spokesperson for the British Transport Police said: "Whilst we know that bike thefts are upsetting, inconvenient and potentially costly, there can often be limited opportunity for investigation. Our experience tells us at an early stage that there are some crimes that are unlikely to ever be solved – such as those without a clear estimate of time or location for the incident or if there is a lack of CCTV or witnesses.
"The more time our officers spend reviewing CCTV footage for these offences, the less time they have available for patrolling railway stations and trains, investigating crimes which cause the most harm and providing a visible presence across the network.
"We will continue to apply a test of proportionality when determining investigation – looking at factors such as timeframes, witnesses, the availability of CCTV, the impact on the victim or whether there is a realistic prospect of a successful outcome. Any offence which is not investigated will still provide us with valuable intelligence, used to direct our patrols and operations."
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366363/30842/5] Posted by bobm at 16:21, 2nd October 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
For any services running late on Sundays, they won't be stopping in any event.
Manvers Street will be closed between 20:00 and 05:00 on Sunday 5th, Sunday 12th and Sunday 19th October to facilitate carriageway works.
Re: Railfuture, Severnside - 18th October 2025 In "Diary - what's happening when?" [366362/30845/34] Posted by ChrisB at 14:16, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No wheelchair accessible entrance
Ho hum

Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366361/30842/5] Posted by Mark A at 14:16, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Regarding the change of tenant from Debenhams to M&S I've deleted a couple of my posts as I'd picked up the wrong end of the wrong stick. tl:dr M&S will be closing the Manvers Street entrance and unmasking the glazing there.
A relevant planning application is 24/02890/FUL, covering M&S's changes to entrances and to the Manvers Street Collonades - including the closure of the Manvers Street entrance and its replacement with glazing to match the rest, and changing the lighting beneath the collonade there.
The police commented, flagging that the sightlines into the collonade aren't good which makes the area not feel safe, they refer to the columns as a 'Crime generator' and suggest mitigations, particularly since the closure of the store entrance will reduce footfall.
The planning officer observed that the black vinyl applied to the windows there by the previous tenant does not have planning permission and a condition of the decision to permit the application is that the windows must be clear-glazed with sightlines to and from the store interior, which will very much change the appearance of the Manvers-Street-facing collonade for the better - which will be further enhanced as M&S intend to improve the lighting too. The area is already covered by CCTV.
Mark
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [366360/29711/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 13:59, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
11:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 14:44 will be terminated at Great Malvern.
It will no longer call at Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
It is being delayed between Reading and Oxford and is now expected to be 31 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:02/10/2025 12:52
It will no longer call at Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
It is being delayed between Reading and Oxford and is now expected to be 31 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:02/10/2025 12:52
15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 will be started from Great Malvern.
It will no longer call at Hereford, Ledbury and Colwall.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:02/10/2025 12:52
I reckon this service is probably the most likely to be short run across the entire GW network
Cancelled beyond Great Malvern today. Not by any means a rare event
Re: [otd] 2nd October 2002 - Railtrack being sold to newly created Network Rail In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [366359/29235/51] Posted by grahame at 13:40, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
BBC Archive - 23 years ago - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2291819.stm
Railtrack is about to meet its Waterloo, but Britain's commuters still face a daily struggle to work. Our Rail Commuter Champion has some small suggestions that he says could make a big difference.
Snipped ... here are the headlines. Interesting which still apply nearly quarter of a century later
1. Better communication
2. Common-sense staff
3. Get integrated
4. Quiet carriages
5. On-board CCTV
6. Air-conditioning
7. Litter bins
8. Rapid-response fix-it teams
9. Give passengers preference...
10. These problems are countrywide
Vote: would Jon's plans work? This vote is now closed - 80.42% voted in favour, 19.58% against. 4,122 votes were cast.
2. Common-sense staff
3. Get integrated
4. Quiet carriages
5. On-board CCTV
6. Air-conditioning
7. Litter bins
8. Rapid-response fix-it teams
9. Give passengers preference...
10. These problems are countrywide
Vote: would Jon's plans work? This vote is now closed - 80.42% voted in favour, 19.58% against. 4,122 votes were cast.
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366356/30842/5] Posted by Mark A at 13:16, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yup....
It's ~60 metres from the station exit and one pelican crossing to the start of the Manvers Street bus bay. If you'd reached the start of the bay and had your hand out as a bus turned the corner the driver would likely stop for you as by the time they'd come to a halt you'd be at the door of the bus.
Comparing this with the bus station. The far end, from which the buses that are routed via Manvers Street depart, is ~150 metres from the station exit, and again, one pelican crossing. Alternatively, the traveller may need to cross the road to check both sides of Dorchester Street to see if anything useful is leaving - the 6a, the 20, and the frequent University services leave not from the bus station but from the north side of the street, so the traveller will need to keep an eye on both the bus station and the bus stops across the road from it.
Then, factor in the journey the bus makes from the bus station to the Manvers Street stop. For the bus, it's slow. Two sets of traffic lights, the first at the exit from the bus station (where someone on foot may need to wait as the bus they might have caught departs), and then a 90 degree left turn at the second, which owing to the traffic light phasing is I think guaranteed to be red when the bus arrives at the lights.
Put this together and Manvers Street stop has the potential to accelerate journeys for people changing between train and bus - firstly (and especially) in the evenings when the bus timetable is sparse enough for buses to stop there without causing congestion at the stop or increasing overall journey times while offering a big improvement in the service for travellers.
Mark
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366355/30842/5] Posted by matth1j at 13:11, 2nd October 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
1. Bus transit timeAnd with the train arriving in from Bristol at :11 and the bus leaving at :15 ...
Actually in my experience the train is usually later than that, and my "sprinting" isn't what it used to be 
2. Bus Station pedestrian congestion from walking in the door of the bus station through to the 'gate' from which your bus leaves ... OK, perhaps just another 30 seconds but it all counts.
Yes you're correct of course, which is why if I know far enough in advance that I'm going to have to take the bus I take an earlier train (Portsmouth?). I did moan at Faresaver once when the bus departed about 30 secs early, which was enough for me to miss it.Re: Mining in Cornwall In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [366354/29414/31] Posted by Andy at 13:05, 2nd October 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby, GBM | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A short spur off the main line to South Crofty and a small extension from Parkandillack to St Dennis and both operations would have a handy rail connection

Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366353/30842/5] Posted by grahame at 12:51, 2nd October 2025 Already liked by matth1j | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I make the trip from Bath train to bus station every now again, typically when the Chippenham-Melksham train has been cancelled so take the 271 bus instead. And I've never thought "I wish I could catch the bus in Manvers Street instead of the bus station"; in fact it hadn't occurred to me that there might be an alternative until I read this topic.
Google Earth tells me it's about 100m from the train station side exit to the bus station, compared to about 70m from the front exit to the Manvers Street stop. I appreciate I'm lucky enough to be fully mobile so an extra 30m bothers me less than others, but it still seems like a small difference. Or am I missing something?
Google Earth tells me it's about 100m from the train station side exit to the bus station, compared to about 70m from the front exit to the Manvers Street stop. I appreciate I'm lucky enough to be fully mobile so an extra 30m bothers me less than others, but it still seems like a small difference. Or am I missing something?
1. Bus transit time from closing doors in the bus station thought waiting for a gap in other buses to push back then queuing as other push back too perhaps, but waiting at the traffic lights to exit the bus station, and driving along and past the lights at the railway station as it turns into Manvers Street. I haven't done a series of observations on this, but I estimate it's typically 2 or 3 minutes. And with the train arriving in from Bristol at :11 and the bus leaving at :15 ...
2. Bus Station pedestrian congestion from walking in the door of the bus station through to the 'gate' from which your bus leaves ... OK, perhaps just another 30 seconds but it all counts.
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366352/30842/5] Posted by matth1j at 10:48, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I make the trip from Bath train to bus station every now again, typically when the Chippenham-Melksham train has been cancelled so take the 271 bus instead. And I've never thought "I wish I could catch the bus in Manvers Street instead of the bus station"; in fact it hadn't occurred to me that there might be an alternative until I read this topic.
Google Earth tells me it's about 100m from the train station side exit to the bus station, compared to about 70m from the front exit to the Manvers Street stop. I appreciate I'm lucky enough to be fully mobile so an extra 30m bothers me less than others, but it still seems like a small difference. Or am I missing something?
Re: Bath: use of Manvers Street bus stop In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366351/30842/5] Posted by Mark A at 10:24, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Soo... has this been discussed before with the powers, who have rejected it on grounds of slowing down the buses + congestion at the stop? Especially in the evening, it could be said that both of those arguments are paper tigers.
Mark
Re: Bristol's number 8 bus and 'The centre'. In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366350/30843/5] Posted by Mark A at 10:22, 2nd October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, the place for a stop for the number 8 to Temple Meads is on the short stretch of road that it uses to cross into Baldwin Street. It might be that to accommodate it, someone would need to alter the worlds widest pelican crossing there.
Mark