This is a test of GDPR / Cookie Acceptance [about our cookies]
Really irritating test - cookie expires in 24 hour!
Great Western Coffee Shop
Recent Public Posts - [guest]
Re: If you are rail staff, can you rely on the train to get to work?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377951/32343/5]
Posted by GBM at 08:47, 9th August 2026
 
The same for all heavy goods and bus drivers!

Shifts starting 04h30 and ending 01h30 (not one continuous one!).
Bus-wise, you have a bit of paperwork to do, plus paying in your cash, etc.
Then several minutes chat about your shift with the few who also finish late.

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377950/32277/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:44, 9th August 2026
 
How times have changed.

I am old enough to remember when the Min of Ag (then MAFF, now DEFRA) used to pay you for shooting pigeons. I believe the rate was 6d (=2 1/5 p).

I am old enough to remember when pigeons were viewed as so cute there was a kids' TV programme about them…
I'd long forgotten that programme!

No, that was "Magpie" 

Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion, bus services and infrastructure - ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377949/22894/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:41, 9th August 2026
 
A minor up side (for the airport) is that the charge to access the place is that high, will they possibly make a little money from people coming and going as a result of the disruption.

Mark


For sure, 5 hours late into Aachen on Tuesday and that standing on a bus, and then an earlier departure from there - before seven rather than after 8 the following day, followed by a 15 minute connection that failed at Chippenham Station into the only daily bus from there to our road in Melksham, but there are usually solutions that are not as bad as the airport scenes seen.

I have to say Graham, you're not selling that one very well! 

Would YOU ride a train from Istanbul to El Paso?
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377948/32344/52]
Posted by grahame at 08:29, 9th August 2026
 
From my timeline



Saw this one and thought of you immediately. Two questions
1 - Would you ride this line?
2 - What's the biggest challenge facing building something like this today? I'm open to both geopolitical challenges and/or technology challenges.

Interesting questions. New railways covering extreme places are not unheard of -

The Ghan from Adelaide all the way through to Darwin, final section opened on Febraury 1st 2004.

The high-altitude Qinghai–Tibet railway, also known as the Sky Train, runs from the city of Xining in Qinghai Province to Lhasa, Tibet, and takes around 20 hours, final section opened 1st July 2006.

Rail Baltica is an under-construction rail infrastructure project that is intended to integrate the Baltic states in the European rail network (Tallinn to Warsaw)

In 20 years, I have not ridden / been tempted to go as a tourist on the Sky Train or The Ghan (nor have I looked seriously at heading from St Petersburg to Vladivistok or Bejing, nor the Indian Pacific nor the Californian Zephr, Empire Builder or The Canadian). So unlikely to look to be an early rider on "rail acrose the roof of the world"

With a political will, and that would be a very changed world indeed from today, I would not rule it out. But it would need that political will, and depending on the strength of that will a business case as to who would be paying for / supporting its services. Technology across the Bering straight could, I'm sure, be solved though at a price and you might end up with a ferry - as per Van to Tatvan, Tallinn to Helsinki, or even Villa San Giovanni to Messina though that latter is proposed for a fixed link as has happened with the English Channel.

Personally, I suspect my lack of enthusiasm to try out these ultra-long routes is my lack of wanting to be in the same train all that time - curious because I have been quite happy up to 11 days without port calls on a cruise liner. And, yes, I know that passenger trains on The Ghan, for example, stop for tourist breaks and are rather like a land cruise.  Give me - I suppose - something that's slightly more like and less alien from my home-travel;  I probabaly would / will travel on Rail Baltica if still around, and indeed I have already travelled from Warsaw to Tallinn on the local trains through each of the countries, and been back with Lisa too.

Re: Southampton Airport (and TransWilts links to it)
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377947/23000/18]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:24, 9th August 2026
 
Loganair are also closing their Exeter <> Manchester route, with the final flight on the same date. CAA data for May 2026 shows a MAN-EXT Load Factor of 41% so I guess the 'Use It Or Lose It' principal might apply.
However the fact that the aircraft used is based at Southampton (SOU) and covers the Manchester > Exeter > Manchester sectors on the 5 days (not Monday or Wednesday) a week that it runs must have been the main reason.

Evidently more people prefer to travel with Cross Country trains. 

Re: Chippenham Railway Station and cycle parking
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [377946/32157/50]
Posted by grahame at 08:13, 9th August 2026
 
According to this article, Chippenham station is about to get 6 months of renovations to station canopies, and resurfacing platforms etc.

Up to 82 parking spaces will be closed so the contractor can set up a compound

As an interchange between trains, Chippenham can work - sometimes.  But want to grab a cup of coffee while you wait for your connection, and if you have luggage or are mobility restricted it's impractical.   And as for changing between rail and road, I have to wonder (and have been asked) whether the people who planned the various changes we have seen in recent years actually consulted the bus and taxi operators, and those passengers who struggle with accessibility.

To my knowledge, tickets are checked on all trains that call at Chippenham - or should be - so why that contorted and awkward lift and gateline at the top of a remote footbridge?

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377945/32074/19]
Posted by grahame at 07:59, 9th August 2026
 
08:01 Weymouth to Cardiff Central due 11:23

08:01 Weymouth to Cardiff Central due 11:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Didn't realise there were any cross-border trains left from Weymouth.  Oh - wait - there aren't today!

If you are rail staff, can you rely on the train to get to work?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377944/32343/5]
Posted by grahame at 07:56, 9th August 2026
 
From the Birmingham Mail

An advertisement for trainee drivers in Birmingham has stated applicants cannot rely on public transport.

London Northwestern Railway and West Midlands Railway are recruiting "motivated and responsible individuals" to embark on their on our Level 3 Train Driver Apprenticeship at Snow Hill Station.

One of the stipulations is candidates should live within a an hour's commute into Birmingham city centre and the job advert adds "please note due to shift start and end times you cannot rely on public transport to get to work and own transport is recommended."

Re: Chippenham Railway Station and cycle parking
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [377943/32157/50]
Posted by John D at 07:45, 9th August 2026
 
According to this article, Chippenham station is about to get 6 months of renovations to station canopies, and resurfacing platforms etc.

Upto 82 parking spaces will be closed so the contractor can set up a compound

From Saturday 8 August, a programme of improvements will begin at Chippenham station, helping to improve the passenger experience and preserve key infrastructure.
Network Rail said it would replace the weathered and damaged canopies, as well as improving drainage and resurfacing platforms at the Grade II listed station. It added that this work would help maintain the historic site and ensure it continued to serve the local community well into the future.
To enable the improvements to be carried out safely and efficiently, up to 82 parking spaces in Cocklebury Road Car Park 1, opposite Sadlers Mead, will be temporarily unavailable while a contractor compound is in place from tomorrow.
The programme is expected to take around six months to complete, although not all 82 spaces will be required throughout the project.
Passengers can continue to use the other car parks on Cocklebury Road and Sadlers Mead, as well as the Union Road car park, all of which will remain open during the works.

https://megaproject.com/news/railway/improvement-work-at-chippenham-rail-station-set-to-begin

Re: Road markings and signs - various errors causing confusion, mirth and some concerns - merged pos
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377942/12302/51]
Posted by bobm at 23:50, 8th August 2026
 
Meanwhile, as usual, Swindon bucks the trend it seems with complaints about faded road markings.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/26442360.swindon-roundabouts-faded-road-markings-spark-safety-fears/

Frustration is mounting among Swindon drivers as faded and missing road markings at several roundabouts raise safety concerns, confusion and reports of near-misses.

Photos show mini-roundabouts on Dorcan Way, Covingham Drive and Merlin Way, with faded paint, and the circle in the middle and arrows on the outside lacking visibility.

Story continues in the link


Re: On This Day - 10 August - Hastings Cliff Railway opened
In "Railway History and related topics" [377941/32342/55]
Posted by stuving at 22:28, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Reading your Google references -

West Hill
The line finally opened in 1891

East Hill
The line was opened in August 1902

My bet's on east Hill

That's right. Strangely, it appears that the opening itself didn't make it into the papers - but the accident a month later did.

Re: On This Day - 10 August - Hastings Cliff Railway opened
In "Railway History and related topics" [377940/32342/55]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:00, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Reading your Google references -

West Hill
The line finally opened in 1891

East Hill
The line was opened in August 1902

My bet's on east Hill

On This Day - 10 August - Hastings Cliff Railway opened
In "Railway History and related topics" [377939/32342/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:22, 8th August 2026
 
There is an anniversary here - but I'm struggling to find a specific source as to whether it was the East or West side Cliff Railway opening.  The East Hill Cliff Railway, opened in 1902, seems to be the favourite, but my online sources seem to contradict each other. 

See https://www.visit1066country.com/things-to-do/cliff-railways-east-hill-p1424931

and https://www.visit1066country.com/things-to-do/cliff-railways-west-hill-p411571

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Hill_Cliff_Railway

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Hill_Cliff_Railway

Can any Coffee Shop member please add to this topic?

CfN. 

Re: Solar eclipse 12/08/2026
In "Across the West" [377938/32340/26]
Posted by Mark A at 19:33, 8th August 2026
 
The isolating qualities of train travel aside, the Cornish main line might include nine miles of viaduct but I think we know what the train would be alongside at the crucial moment.

Mark

Birmingham Airport baggage issues leave hundreds without luggage - 8 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377937/32341/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:27, 8th August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Airport baggage issues leave hundreds without luggage


The airport issued an alert at around 05:40 BST warning passengers that baggage problems are continuing - Image © Birmingham Airport

Hundreds of passengers who have flown out of Birmingham Airport have been left without luggage due to issues with its baggage systems.

One described the situation as "absolute chaos" after the airport said it was experiencing issues affecting outbound flights.

In an update at 05:40 BST on Saturday, the airport warned passengers the problems were ongoing, but that engineers were on site working as quickly as possible to resolve it.

Hayley Chapman, from Northfield, who flew with her family to Turkey on Friday said no luggage at all was loaded on to the plane, and they had received no information as to its whereabouts.

She described seeing a "build up" of luggage at the airport, after problems with the luggage belt, but had been assured by staff that it would be loaded on to the plane.  But on arrival at Dalaman they were told by the pilot that no bags had been loaded.

"We have heard nothing about compensation, no communication when our luggage is expected, we've heard nothing about who is liable for it. Is it the airport? Is it TUI? Is it our travel insurance? Who are we meant to go to? We've had nothing from anybody", Chapman said.  "It's just radio silence from the airport, apart from literally telling people 'we've got an issue'".

The first day of their holiday was spent travelling to a shopping centre to buy essentials for "for the next few days" but she added "we have no idea how long this is going to last".

"There are families all over the world at the moment with nothing and no idea of what's going on," she said.  "It's really important that Birmingham Airport are held accountable, and sort this out."

(BBC article continues)


Re: Not just trains that suffer due to infrastructure issues
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377936/32336/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:16, 8th August 2026
 
Hmmm.   I can only claim, in mitigation, that Coffee Shop member LiskeardRich provoked me into posting this here:

I have posted this before, here on the Coffee Shop forum, but it's a light-hearted spoof advert for Ryanair, from YouTube, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4yczeiXwY

Watch until the end of the 70 seconds clip: it rather seems to sum it all up quite neatly. 

(With my apologies to any possibly younger readers here for the one sweary word).

CfN. 

Re: Southampton Airport (and TransWilts links to it)
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377935/23000/18]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:04, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Grahame's nailed it. Definitely the train should (and does) do the job.

If you have a meeting in Manchester (before 20th August) and want to get there and back on the same day, there's currently just one offering on Booking.com or Kayak. It's the 12-20 SOU-MAN, return 16-55, 1 hour flight up, 50 minutes return. Those times are (of course) net of check-in times (still one hour?), and getting to the airports at each end, at least 20 minutes by pre-booked taxi each way. As a veteran of many a business meeting when I worked, that doesn't leave much time for the kind of meeting that justifies travelling all that way. Cost? £268

Cross-country runs hourly trains at 15 past the hour from Southampton Central, return at 25 past for much of the day, that you can join at Central, Airport Parkway, Winchester, Basingstoke, Reading (all within Southampton Airport's catchment). It takes 4hrs, 14 mins for Central to Piccadilly, but respectively 7, 17, 31 and 55 minutes less from each of the calling points above, and you are delivered into Manchester city centre as well as having reasonable working conditions (a little cramped, but better than most short-haul aircraft) for your journey. There's also the option of Stockport if that's closer to your venue.  Cost? £69 advance fare, or if your meeting might run on, £150-20 semi-flexible.

Yes, there are reliability concerns, but these apply to air travel as well (and to driving along the M3, M27 or A34 to get to the airport). 

Re: Not just trains that suffer due to infrastructure issues
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377934/32336/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 16:48, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
A hard landing holed the runway.

I won’t assume which airline did it, but I know which airline offer a free rough landing with every flight.

Re: Newry - passengers 'stranded' at locked train station, 8 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377933/32338/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:09, 8th August 2026
 
Yet the train stayed to help?....so they could have escaped on that in an emergency?....hmmm

Re: Solar eclipse 12/08/2026
In "Across the West" [377932/32340/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:28, 8th August 2026
 
You'd do better looking to be travelling *towards* PNZ at a section with westerly views from the southern windows....between 1900 & 1930 - max at around 1913.

Re: Michael Portillo - live across the south and west - autumn 2026 and spring 2027
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [377931/32333/49]
Posted by chipbury at 15:19, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
We saw him at the Wiltshire Music Centre in Bradford on Avon a few years ago, it was very interesting.

Solar eclipse 12/08/2026
In "Across the West" [377930/32340/26]
Posted by Mark A at 14:46, 8th August 2026
 
Details of the solar eclipse here: the map on this page allows you to pick a location and see precise timings etc (for british summer time, add an hour...).
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearchmap.php?Ecl=20260812

**Raises hat to anyone who was involved in the railway's considerable provision to help bring people to Cornwall-and-a-bit-of-Devon for the 1999 eclipse.**

While this one's not total from there, and the eclipse is toward the end of the day rather than the middle, Land's End is about 300 miles off the path of totality, where the moon's shadow will be tracking along said path at over 2000 miles per hour.

People viewing this from Lands End will have the shadow on the upper atmosphere in plain sight - along with an element of absent reflected light from the ocean - though also looking in the direction of the 96% obscured-but-not-to-be-underestimated sun. Given a clear sky there are likely to be visual effects as the moon's distant umbral shadow passes beneath the deep partial eclipse. Visual effects in the form of a sense of motion, and this may give you thrills, and you may find that they're multiplying. Alas, I suspect that this will not be so noticeable from much further east in the UK, though perhaps...

Lands end being what it is, its worth bearing in mind that Penzance itself is tucked in its bay behind high ground. Away from the rail system, the Lizard is about the same distance from the path of totality and somewhere on its western coast... the environs of Poldhu perhaps... might well offer a better... visitor experience.

Turning to August 12th trains & looking to return the same evening, there are a couple of trains from Penzance up-country as far as Plymouth, but anything further would involve the sleeper. Thoughts extended to the people on the train that leaves at the moment of totality with connections as far as Bristol.... and Yeovil Junction.

Mark

2U14 1043 Exeter St Davids to Cardiff Central 8th August 2026
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [377929/32339/10]
Posted by GBM at 13:55, 8th August 2026
 
Unfortunately seems to have been involved in an incident around Weston Milton.
Thoughts with all involved.
2U14 1043 Exeter St Davids to Cardiff Central.

Later trains showing thus -

11:25 Taunton to London Paddington due 14:07 will no longer call at Weston-Super-Mare.
This is due to the emergency services dealing with an incident.

Newry - passengers 'stranded' at locked train station, 8 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377928/32338/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:32, 8th August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Passengers 'stranded' at locked train station


Passengers on a late-night train to Newry could not exit the locked station - Image © Anne Greer

Translink has apologised after rail passengers were left stranded on a platform when a late-night train arrived into a station that was already shut for the night.

A group of about 30 customers were stuck on the platform at Newry Train Station for more than 45 minutes in the early hours of Saturday.

One of the passengers, Anne Greer, told BBC News NI it raised safety questions for the public transport company as the customers had no safe way to exit the station.

Translink said the firm was "looking into the incident" but added its train crew "remained with the passengers to ensure their safety while the issue was resolved".

The train was among a number of extra late-night services which are running to and from Belfast during the Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann (Music Festival of Ireland).  It was scheduled to leave Belfast at 23:59 BST on Friday and it arrived in Newry at about 01:20 BST on Saturday.

"To our surprise the entire station was closed, so we couldn't exit," Greer said.  "So we're all trapped on the platforms for over 40 minutes."

She said the train crew "helped as much as they could, but there was nothing they could do.  They were completely gobsmacked as to why they've arrived into a completely closed and locked train station."

Greer said she and other passengers tried to contact Translink but they could only find phone numbers for call centres which had also already closed for the day.  She argued it should be a "learning point" for health and safety as she felt there was no safe escape if there had been an injury or any kind of emergency.  "If something had happened.. the only options we had were the tracks in front of us, which obviously nobody was going to try walking on."

Shortly before 02:00 a worker arrived at the station and opened the doors to let passengers out.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Southampton Airport - flight changes
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377926/23000/18]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:21, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, GBM
 
But part of me looks at certain services and worries about why they exist in the first place - in this case, the train really should be doing the job

Closure of a Manchester route - The PM won't be happy about that...................

Before I retired I once flew from Southampton to Manchester and back - I did that solely as I was meeting up with colleagues from Germany and we were driving on from there in a hire car. I must admit that, even at the time, I did think that the route was a borderline one - especially when they served "afternoon tea"; somewhat pointless, on a short and very bumpy flight.   

Having said that, I flew up to Edinburgh, from Southampton, a few months back with Loganair. Couldn't fault that - even had a Tunnocks wafer with my coffee !

Re: Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [377925/5508/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:13, 8th August 2026
 
I really couldn't find a home for this photo - perhaps he was heading to the catering..

https://x.com/peterallenparis/status/2085664121869975676/photo/1

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377924/32277/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:08, 8th August 2026
 
Yellow card to TG, for mentioning barbeque anywhere other than on 'the lighter side'. 


Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377923/32277/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:47, 8th August 2026
 
Well, now we know where the supplies for the BBQs are sourced! 

Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion, bus services and infrastructure - ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377922/22894/5]
Posted by grahame at 11:47, 8th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
A minor up side (for the airport) is that the charge to access the place is that high, will they possibly make a little money from people coming and going as a result of the disruption.

Mark

It's hearing stories like this, and seeing pictures like that supplied, that remind me just how happy I am to have given up air travel as much as I practically can. And there are very few reasons - in practise - that it's a life necessity for us.   

For sure, 5 hours late into Aachen on Tuesday and that standing on a bus, and then an earlier departure from there - before seven rather than after 8 the following day, followed by a 15 minute connection that failed at Chippenham Station into the only daily bus from there to our road in Melksham, but there are usually solutions that are not as bad as the airport scenes seen.

 
The Coffee Shop forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western). The views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit https://www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site at admin@railcustomer.info if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules. Our full legal statment is at https://www.greatwesternrailway.info/legal.html

Although we are planning ahead, we don't know what the future will bring here in the Coffee Shop. We have domains "firstgreatwestern.info" for w-a-y back and also "greatwesternrailway.info"; we can also answer to "greatbritishrailways.info" too. For the future, information about Great Brisish Railways, by customers and for customers.
 
Current Running
GWR trains from JourneyCheck
 
 
Code Updated 11th January 2025