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Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
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Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ray951 at 13:11, 30th March 2023
 
This thread has been extracted and regrouped from several others including
http://www.passenger.chat/14689 - Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
once the severity of the isse became apparent


The bridge over the Thames between Culham and Radley now appears to have a temporary speed limit of 5mph. This is adding about 4 minutes to each journey.

Hopefully that won't be lowered to 0mph before the work has finished.

Edit to add introductory paragraph - grahame

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ray951 at 11:47, 3rd April 2023
 
Seems like I spoke to soon as the bridge at Culham has now been closed.

GWR are saying for rest of the day (3rd April), but I would like to know if that is realistic and is it really going to be longer?

Passengers from Didcot to Oxford asked to catch local buses.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:07, 3rd April 2023
 
Could be weeks apparently!

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 12:18, 3rd April 2023
 
Could be weeks apparently!

Oops!

Advice on Cross Country from National Rail:

Urgent repairs to a bridge between Reading and Oxford means all lines are blocked. As a result of this, trains running between these stations may be cancelled, delayed or suspended. 
Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice:

CrossCountry
To assist with your journey, you may use your ticket on the following at no extra cost:
Avanti West Coast via any reasonable route
Chiltern Railways via any reasonable route
London Underground via any reasonable route
London Northwestern Railway via any reasonable route
South Western Railway between Bournemouth and London Waterloo

Interesting that no cross-availability on GWR ... So if I have a Bounemouth to Oxford advanced ticket (are there such things?  I must travel Bournemouth to Southampton on an XC train, but I can then use SWR to Waterloo, tube to Marylebone, and Chiltern to Oxford.   Not allowed to use XC from Bournemouth as far as they are running and the GWR to Didcot and bus to Oxford.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by nickswift99 at 13:26, 3rd April 2023
 
Due to urgent repairs to a bridge between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are closed.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled or suspended between Didcot Parkway and Oxford. All stations between Didcot Parkway and Oxford will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

There appears to be an attempt to get RRB going. Cross Country Trains look like they're being turned at Reading and Birmingham.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:34, 3rd April 2023
 
Half term means buses are easier to get hold of thankfully!  As mentioned on another thread it could be a closure of a couple of weeks.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 14:09, 3rd April 2023
 
Their is major freight through there too ...  diversion via Greenford, or via Cheltenham, or something else??

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ray951 at 14:16, 3rd April 2023
 
Could be weeks apparently!

Oops!

Advice on Cross Country from National Rail:

Urgent repairs to a bridge between Reading and Oxford means all lines are blocked. As a result of this, trains running between these stations may be cancelled, delayed or suspended. 
Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice:

CrossCountry
To assist with your journey, you may use your ticket on the following at no extra cost:
Avanti West Coast via any reasonable route
Chiltern Railways via any reasonable route
London Underground via any reasonable route
London Northwestern Railway via any reasonable route
South Western Railway between Bournemouth and London Waterloo

Interesting that no cross-availability on GWR ... So if I have a Bounemouth to Oxford advanced ticket (are there such things?  I must travel Bournemouth to Southampton on an XC train, but I can then use SWR to Waterloo, tube to Marylebone, and Chiltern to Oxford.   Not allowed to use XC from Bournemouth as far as they are running and the GWR to Didcot and bus to Oxford.

Could that be because they are hoping to run Bournemouth to Didcot, like they were on Sunday? Although looks like only Bournemouth to Reading at the moment.

Even if they didn't run to Didcot, I would be tempted to catch XC to Reading then bus to Oxford, especially as the extra cost would only be £2. Going via London would be mad.


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ReWind at 15:44, 3rd April 2023
 
Their is major freight through there too ...  diversion via Greenford, or via Cheltenham, or something else??

Container traffic to/from Southampton (which makes up a large portion of freight traffic over the route in question) is being diverted via Reading, Acton Wells and the WCML to its onward destination.

Colas are sending their traffic via Bristol and Bromsgrove.  Not sure about DB yet.

Other traffic such as Stone traffic to/from Oxford Parkway and car traffic to/from Morris Cowley will cease for the immediate future.

This is all short term, quick fix stuff.  No doubt a more concrete plan will emerge once more details about the situation and longevity come clear.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 15:58, 3rd April 2023
 
No doubt a more concrete plan will emerge once more details about the situation and longevity come clear.
I expect a “more concrete plan” might be a big part of the fix for the Thames abutments too…

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ray951 at 16:10, 3rd April 2023
 
Local press now suggesting that it will be closed for at least 3 weeks for temporary repairs.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by BBM at 17:05, 3rd April 2023
 
From the 'Oxford Clarion' on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/OxfordClarion/status/1642904141495169024

The Oxford–Didcot railway line is likely to be closed for up to three weeks due to the failure of Nuneham Viaduct over the Thames. The speed limit was reduced to 20mph in January, 5mph last week, then closed entirely today, with the line said to be “sinking” into the ground.

One of the brick arches is understood to have undergone severe subsidence, causing a dip in the track. Monitoring equipment, installed recently, showed today that the line is no longer safe. All GWR and CrossCountry services between Oxford and Didcot/Reading have been cancelled.

Tickets are valid on Chiltern services from Oxford to London Marylebone, on Thames Travel X2/X32 buses, and on the Stagecoach S6 to Swindon. A reopening date has not been announced but mid/late April is being suggested informally. Full repairs are expected to take months.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 17:23, 3rd April 2023
 
From the 'Oxford Clarion' on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/OxfordClarion/status/1642904141495169024

The Oxford–Didcot railway line is likely to be closed for up to three weeks due to the failure of Nuneham Viaduct over the Thames. The speed limit was reduced to 20mph in January, 5mph last week, then closed entirely today, with the line said to be “sinking” into the ground.

One of the brick arches is understood to have undergone severe subsidence, causing a dip in the track. Monitoring equipment, installed recently, showed today that the line is no longer safe. All GWR and CrossCountry services between Oxford and Didcot/Reading have been cancelled.

Tickets are valid on Chiltern services from Oxford to London Marylebone, on Thames Travel X2/X32 buses, and on the Stagecoach S6 to Swindon. A reopening date has not been announced but mid/late April is being suggested informally. Full repairs are expected to take months.
I’m assuming “one of the brick arches” either means one of the land abutments or the river pier, I think there are only 3 in total?   The river pier is an arch structure along the line of the river, but I haven’t seen a view of anywhere else.  So presumably if it’s the river pier timescales will be more significant?

Paul

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 17:39, 3rd April 2023
 

Colas are sending their traffic via Bristol and Bromsgrove.  Not sure about DB yet.


Freight + the Lickey incline in the present day: what does that involve please, anyone?

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 17:40, 3rd April 2023
 
I'm guessing it's the abutments on the southern side of the bridge - that's where the NR work team seemed to be when I passed that way last week. But I may be wrong.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 17:56, 3rd April 2023
 
There's a lot of confusion over whether this is a bridge or a viaduct (and GWR used to call it Newnham, as well). The replacement for the original timber structure had steel plate girders resting on six sets of columns (piers, in effect), spanning the river and the ground on the Oxford side. That was replaced in 1906 by the present bridge, and three "piers" were removed from the river and replaced by one pier, since the bowstring girders are longer. The next support was replaced by a pier of the same design, leaving three of the old spans and two "piers" as the viaduct part. Lots of details about that is this document, including how it was done (mostly closing one line at a time).

However, now that viaduct is made of three brick arches - as seen in this geograph photo. (I think getting to where that was taken was probably quite a struggle.) But I've no idea when that happened - and which bit is now subsiding?


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 18:32, 3rd April 2023
 
Ah, the photo that stuving has found shows there’s a few more areas that might be the failure site. The aerial photos don’t really give you any idea that’s there still some brick arch viaduct in use.

Paul

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by eightonedee at 18:35, 3rd April 2023
 
Now being featured on BBC local news - apparently closed for at least two weeks. Paul Clifton reporting - NR to make announcement tomorrow

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by CyclingSid at 18:35, 3rd April 2023
 
When I passed on Saturday, at walking speed, there was a haul road to the site and some people on/next to site.

At the moment I think the main problem will be the state of the river. River is above normal

https://check-for-flooding.service.gov.uk/station/7097 [NOTE: this is a live link so will change depending on when you see it]

and the current river conditions

Abingdon Lock to Culham Lock    Red Caution strong stream warning
Culham Lock to Clifton Lock    Red Caution strong stream warning

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/river-thames-current-river-conditions#current-river-conditions-updated-3-april-2023 which means
Strong stream warning board

When these red boards are displayed on lock gates, the Environment Agency advises users of all boats not to navigate. The strong flows make it difficult and dangerous.


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 18:37, 3rd April 2023
 
Ah, the photo that stuving has found shows there’s a few more areas that might be the failure site. The aerial photos don’t really give you any idea that’s there still some brick arch viaduct in use.

Yes, on both sides, I think. You can get a bit more of a peek from below with Google Street View, which has the view from the Thames Path on it.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by BBM at 18:42, 3rd April 2023
 
This was the main story just now on BBC South Today with Paul Clifton. There was some video showing that one of the two spans is definitely out of vertical alignment. He said that NR staff are currently not at the scene and there's no comment from the company as to the exact nature of the problem. He expects them to make a statement tomorrow.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 18:49, 3rd April 2023
 
Ah, the photo that stuving has found shows there’s a few more areas that might be the failure site. The aerial photos don’t really give you any idea that’s there still some brick arch viaduct in use.

Yes, on both sides, I think. You can get a bit more of a peek from below with Google Street View, which has the view from the Thames Path on it.

Ah, so it is not so inaccessible. You can also see the piers of the viaduct arches on satellite view - just, once you know where to look. But that is only on the north side, and it is the newest part of the structure, and the problems before 1906 were all in the river. So maybe when they went down "11 feet below the river bed to the Oxford clay" that wasn't enough.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by CyclingSid at 19:09, 3rd April 2023
 
Paul Clifton an hour ago https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 19:19, 3rd April 2023
 
What I see in those BBC pictures (however reliable that is) is that the transition pier on the north bank has dropped. That makes historical sense, if that bit was not seen as a problem in 1906, so its foundations don't go down as far as the one in the river bed. Since then, with the disturbance of having the viaduct rebuilt, and a heavier pier and bridge to support ...

I find it hard to believe that the water table that close to the river has changed much.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 19:22, 3rd April 2023
 
GWR has now been added to the list on the National Rail page mentioned earlier, about XC ticket acceptance following the failed Nuneham bridge/viaduct…

Paul

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Electric train at 19:31, 3rd April 2023
 

I find it hard to believe that the water table that close to the river has changed much.

There has been a lot of gravel extraction and subsequent land fill in the last few decades, I wonder if this has impacted the water table.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 19:49, 3rd April 2023
 
I have found one newspaper reference to the rebuilding of the viaduct, and that's from a "last year's work" summary in January 1931, and is as curt as: "the north end of Nuneham viaduct, Culham, [has been] reconstructed".

From the Thames Path, you can see that the arches piercing the pier on the north bank were filled in when that work was done. But there is no sign on distress in the pier itself, nor what little you can see of the arch attached to it. So maybe that isn't quite so likely as an explanation. You can also see the bearings of the bridge, which are not exactly sophisticated, and how the skew on the bridge complicates the one on the left (west) side.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:09, 3rd April 2023
 
Thoughts with all affected.

Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

Due to a person hit by a train between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 20:10, 3rd April 2023
 
I've now seen a picture on railforums that I think is of the west wing wall on the south bank, and this really is distressed. It's just at the very right of the BBC's shots, and out of sight looked at from above. But you can see that the parapet pillar (supporting the fence rails) is decidedly wonky. A drop in that bearing would, of course, give the same angle at the mid-river pier. You can also see how deep the ballast bed on the bridge has got over the years! Do you think that was to compensate for this drop?

I do hope these guys have not become so specialised that NR have only got one wing-wall team.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by eightonedee at 22:17, 3rd April 2023
 
Moderators - can I suggest that the Nuneham/Culham viaduct problem merits its own thread, rather than being split between two general delay threads as at present?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 22:34, 3rd April 2023
 
Moderators - can I suggest that the Nuneham/Culham viaduct problem merits its own thread, rather than being split between two general delay threads as at present?

Now 3 weeks according to JourneyCheck

Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
Due to urgent repairs to a bridge between Didcot Parkway and Oxford the line is closed. Disruption is expected until 23:59 23/04.


If another of the mod team can sort this out as suggested - THANK YOU.  My connection keeps dropping and is very laggy ...

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 23:22, 3rd April 2023
 
Noting Euston to Milton Keynes closed over Easter too. Southampton to Birmingham, Derby, etc., passenger might do better via Bristol?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 11:56, 4th April 2023
 
(It might not be easy to pull posts from at least two other threads into this one - if that's doable, other mods, please kill this one.)

Nuneham Bridge, the third bridge on the site, is a two span steel bowstring carried on two abutments and a central pier in the river, dating from 1907. On the north approach, the line is carried on several brick arches, on the south, an embankment.

The southern abutment has subsided over a period of months if not longer, additional ballast has been used to keep the line useable albeit with a speed restriction. At the start of April the abutment's subsidence continued to worsen and it was necessary to close the line completely. As of April 4th, a date at which it can be reopened has not been announced.

Mark

(Edited to correct the date that the current bowstring spans replaced much of the previous bridge. Wikipedia had this as 1929 so, corrected Wikipedia too...)

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 11:59, 4th April 2023
 
I've launched a new thread in the appropriate forum topic. If that doesn't help, mods, please do delete it.

Mark

Edit - You can find that thread ((here)) - grahame.

If I have decent connectivity during tonight, I'll back up databases and see if I can do some splitting and merging while the forum is quiet, but if the connectivity is poor I may have to leave it until back on dry land.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by oxviem at 13:01, 4th April 2023

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 13:14, 4th April 2023
 
Paul Clifton has posted two good aerial photos to Twitter. Do they perhaps show that at the south abutment, the ballast in an indication that the abutment continues to subside, is retreating beneath the track?

In another, he says "...privately I’m hearing the closure will be months, not weeks."

Mark

https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1643216802032353281

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ray951 at 13:27, 4th April 2023
 
NR saying shuttle services are to be run Oxford -  Radley and Didcot - Culham.

Shame they can't run up to the bridge, where we can walk across and get on another train on the other side; that would be quicker than taking the bus 

And yes I understand all the issues about why that wouldn't happen.

According to Google would take 26 minutes to cycle between those two stations!

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 13:50, 4th April 2023
 
On the bright side, the Environment Agency's not yet closed the river navigation beneath the bridge.

Paul Clifton's images are quite stark: the first actually shows that at the abutment, the ballast is retreating beneath the track, in a short time it looks to have dropped by about a sleeper's depth.

Adding some straight lines to his second photo just about starts to reveal the extent to which the southern span has subsided. The weight of the additional ballast added to the span can't be helping at this point. One of the yellow lines tracks a railhead, the other, the ends of the floor beams of the northern span projected across the southern span.

Mark


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 16:10, 4th April 2023
 
I've launched a new thread in the appropriate forum topic. If that doesn't help, mods, please do delete it.

I've merged the three (!) separate discussions on this.

Some of the interim topic names are still around and I can't see a way of changing them in bulk. grahame, if you have a moment (and the connectivity!) to do an UPDATE later, that would be the cherry on the cake.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by bobm at 16:53, 4th April 2023
 
Some of the interim topic names are still around and I can't see a way of changing them in bulk. grahame, if you have a moment (and the connectivity!) to do an UPDATE later, that would be the cherry on the cake.

Done  (that was the easy bit!)

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 16:58, 4th April 2023
 
I have found one newspaper reference to the rebuilding of the viaduct, and that's from a "last year's work" summary in January 1931, and is as curt as: "the north end of Nuneham viaduct, Culham, [has been] reconstructed".

From the Thames Path, you can see that the arches piercing the pier on the north bank were filled in when that work was done. But there is no sign on distress in the pier itself, nor what little you can see of the arch attached to it. So maybe that isn't quite so likely as an explanation. You can also see the bearings of the bridge, which are not exactly sophisticated, and how the skew on the bridge complicates the one on the left (west) side.

Thanks for this. The Culham Ticket Office site's copy of the article from the 1908 GWR Magazine's photo of the then new bowstring arches (both of which are good and level)

https://culhamticketoffice.co.uk/bits/hidden-pages/nuneham-bridge.html

That photo also shows what looks to be a couple of remaining spans from the previous viaduct still in use on northern approach - if that work was finally replaced around 1929, that date of '1931' combined with 'Last year's work' might be the origin for the erroneus 1929 date for the bowstring spans as given in the likes of https://www.thames.me.uk/s01530.htm

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 18:03, 4th April 2023
 
That photo also shows what looks to be a couple of remaining spans from the previous viaduct still in use on northern approach - if that work was finally replaced around 1929, that date of '1931' combined with 'Last year's work' might be the origin for the erroneus 1929 date for the bowstring spans as given in the likes of https://www.thames.me.uk/s01530.htm

Mark

I think that sentence on thames.me.uk (which also says the new bridge in 1929 had one span) has been misplaced, and should be on the Appleford bridge page. The two bridges (or viaducts) are near-identical twin sisters, in each of their three incarnations.

The Culham Ticket Office site also has a GWR magazine page about Appleford, which explains that the work was meant to start in 1927, but was delayed until 1928 by guess what - flooding!. It was completed in 1929, suggesting that the more recently something like this is done, the longer it takes.

There are subtle differences in the design and working method, as well, though in both cases the bridge spans were rivetted together on site, with the girders placed on the piers first and then the cross members added in situ. At Nuneham, the outer girders fitted on the ends of the piers, and I think the middle one went in the gap between the two original one-track bridges (which may explain its different design). One track was closed and demolished and the replacing half assembled, then the other half was done. At Appleford, where the three girders are the same, they built the piers and the first half just to one side, with both tracks still in use. Then they demolished just one old bridge of the pair and finished the new one, still with two lines in use. So the track at each end has moved sideways, though I can't see any trace on the satellite views of that now.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 18:23, 4th April 2023
 
Ah, that's another find, thanks for this.

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 18:43, 4th April 2023
 
Big THANK YOU to Rchard for doing the lion's share of reforming this thread from disparate others which had content on the topic in them, and to Bob for icing the cake by fixing topic names.

Other topics include
http://www.passenger.chat/14689 - Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
where posts on other infrastructure problems still "belong?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:30, 5th April 2023
 
Now updated to "at least" 23 April.


Cancellations to services between Reading/Didcot Parkway and Oxford until at least Sunday 23 April
Following a safety inspection of a railway viaduct between Didcot Parkway and Oxford the railway has been closed to allow emergency repairs to take place. We are expecting this work to continue until at least Sunday 23 April.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 09:47, 5th April 2023
 
The large pipe that looks to be 12-18" in diameter, mounted on the exterior upstream side of Nuneham Bridge. Anyone know what it carries? (Or carried, perhaps...)

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 10:33, 5th April 2023
 
Looking at images of the bowstring spans at Nuneham, three things:

* No windbraces. (Many many bowstring bridges have these, tying the tops of the arches to each other)

* It's not immediately obvious, for the steel spans, as to how Nuneham's bridge bearings are handled. The image below is one of the roller bearings carrying the 1930s replacement bridges across the Avon on the Midland line at Kelston. Hopefully Nuneham has something that can handle rotation, as there's a bit of that going on.

* The steel spans themselves are in a state of neglect, with instances of full-depth corrosion on parts of the structure.

Mark


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 11:06, 5th April 2023
 
The large pipe that looks to be 12-18" in diameter, mounted on the exterior upstream side of Nuneham Bridge. Anyone know what it carries? (Or carried, perhaps...)

Mark

The obvious answer is water - isn't that sort of pipe usually a water main? Since the Appleford bridge has no such hanger-on, I guess it supplied the Culham loop from Abingdon.

It looks serviceable, but may not be needed - I expect the exotic machinery near Culham needs and has a big new pipe. This one might still supply the village, perhaps. I'm not aware of any accessible map of water mains, unless you've bought a house nearby or it was included in a planning application (in which case you are not allowed to look at it when you've found it).

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ellendune at 12:03, 5th April 2023
 
Most likely water, but could be gas. 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 12:58, 5th April 2023
 
On railforums this morning, there's quite the telephoto image. A thumbnail available and a somewhat larger version if logged in to the forum demonstrating why the bridge was starting to be referred to as a 'Ski jump'.

Also, some hints on Twitter that crossing this, from the perspective of someone driving trains, was a singular experience and even more singular should the arrival of a passenger train coincided with a freight train on the other line.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/nuneham-viaduct-shut-didcot-oxford.246310/page-9#post-6156274

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:27, 5th April 2023
 
On railforums this morning, there's quite the telephoto image. A thumbnail available and a somewhat larger version if logged in to the forum demonstrating why the bridge was starting to be referred to as a 'Ski jump'.

Also, some hints on Twitter that crossing this, from the perspective of someone driving trains, was a singular experience and even more singular should the arrival of a passenger train coincided with a freight train on the other line.

The telephoto image foreshortens things (as you might expect!) and makes it look far more dramatic than it was.  As someone who did drive a train over it I can confirm it was just fine from a ride quality perspective at 5mph - I've certainly driven over far worse track than that in remote sidings.  It is quite a dip though and was packed with ballast on more than one occasion over the months as it slowly sank.

That's not to say it would have been any fun at much more than 5mph (or much more than 20mph when that was the speed restriction).  Having seen some photographs of the sides and underneath I can say that I am very much relieved it has now been closed, even if much of the damage wasn't structural!  Sadly I can't share those photos as they are marked 'Internal use only', so you'll have to take my word for it.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by bobm at 21:42, 5th April 2023
 
Having seen some photographs of the sides and underneath I can say that I am very much relieved it has now been closed, even if much of the damage wasn't structural!  Sadly I can't share those photos as they are marked 'Internal use only', so you'll have to take my word for it.

Thank you for giving us the “gist” of them.  Helps the overall understanding.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 09:45, 6th April 2023
 
We've been travelling (by train) around Slovenia, Austria (for work) and Hungary (for pleasure) for the past two weeks. 

We left Budapest at 09:40 on Tuesday (April 4) and stayed overnight in Wuerzburg (we don't like travelling on sleepers or in the dark). 10:24 from there on Wednesday morning, expecting to get to St Pancras on the Eurostar at 20:00 and catch the 20:50 out of Paddington back to Worcester.

On the ICE from Cologne to Brussels, I power up the laptop and come here, only to find the bad news about The Bridge.

So, a taxi to Marylebone instead of Paddington.  Where we find that Chiltern aren't running north of Banbury, that only one out of four ATMs are working and that M&S can only offer Gin and Diet Tonic. Has the country started falling apart since we went away?

We catch the 20:40 from Marylebone to Oxford, a 4-car unit which is the most crowded train we've been on in two weeks. About the same level of standing as trams 4 and 6 in Budapest.

At Oxford (arrive 21:48) we cross the bridge to platform 4, where GWR are very sensibly holding the 21:42 departure to Great Malvern (which would have been our 20:50 from Paddington). Thank you! OK, we have to wait for the single line at Evesham, but we still get home.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by CyclingSid at 16:56, 6th April 2023

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by bobm at 18:03, 6th April 2023
 
I have seen reports of the closure remaining until 9th June.  Then re-opening with a temporary speed restriction for another week after that.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 18:56, 6th April 2023
 

Summary from that feed ... until early June for a tempoary fix, then something more permanent; around half the freight trains are running, diverted via Acton.    

So -
* Remind me when the route via Acton is closed too?
* When does HS2 open to provide extra capacity for the West Coast line?
* Am I the only one that wonders why this wasn't picked up into some sort of planned engineering more mearured than a PANIC!

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 19:52, 6th April 2023
 
* Am I the only one that wonders why this wasn't picked up into some sort of planned engineering more mearured than a PANIC!

We know they were monitoring the subsidence of that southern abutment, and no doubt working on a plan. One part of the planning would be to decide whether it's just the abutment that needs to be fixed, or whether the bridge spans have such a limited remaining life they should be replaced as well.

The timescale for this is based on its rate of sinking. So when it suddenly drops by a big extra amount in a short time, the planning process is instantly running late. And you can't keep sending in a stone-blower to hitch the track up for ever. The amount of extra ballast is getting embarrassing - a rough estimate says it's about 50 tonnes!



Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 20:13, 6th April 2023
 
Flooding was the key to the enforced closure IIUC.  Had that not happened it would probably have been OK until the repair schedule that was planned arrived.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by bobm at 20:18, 6th April 2023
 
BBC South Today showed a couple of photographs from the bridge.  There was also a quote that an engineer could get his arm into the cracks.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Electric train at 21:11, 6th April 2023
 
From the photos and other info I have seen in this thread my thoughts are the foundation of the Southern pier / abutment has been eroded by the river.  It has been seen on other parts of the network such as Feltham in 2009 failure of the structure can accelerate to collapse quickly even on bridges that are being monitored.

* Am I the only one that wonders why this wasn't picked up into some sort of planned engineering more mearured than a PANIC!

We know they were monitoring the subsidence of that southern abutment, and no doubt working on a plan. One part of the planning would be to decide whether it's just the abutment that needs to be fixed, or whether the bridge spans have such a limited remaining life they should be replaced as well.

The timescale for this is based on its rate of sinking. So when it suddenly drops by a big extra amount in a short time, the planning process is instantly running late. And you can't keep sending in a stone-blower to hitch the track up for ever. The amount of extra ballast is getting embarrassing - a rough estimate says it's about 50 tonnes!
 

If a renewal or major structural refurb perhaps in CP7, it almost certainly would involve a number of blockades; which in themselves are planned 4 or more years out. 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 22:39, 6th April 2023
 
It will be interesting to know more about the date of construction of that abutment, how it failed - and why it failed now.
 
Perhaps the structure of the abutment dates largely from the line's original construction - 1843. A photo carried by Wikimedia shows that it was showing signs of distress in 2018.



Since then there's been the continuation of the odd flood, and last year, unusual heat followed by unusual spells of cold weather - and as the structure moved,  the track ballast added to the span produced an additional wedge shaped mass that increasingly loaded the abutment. (It's been remarked that the railway has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to ballast depths on structures generally, though this is a special case...) In any case, this doesn't appear to be vertical subsidence - if the abutment is rotating as its foot moves in the direction of the river, whatever force that propels that rotation will increasingly be helped along by the mass of the bridge bearing on the abutment from above.

Speaking of bearings,  there's then the issue that as well as being wrung by being potentially twisted, if that span has only sliding bearings that do not allow for rotation, those may be at risk of damage too, and at both ends of the span.

Mark

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by 1st fan at 23:18, 6th April 2023
 
BBC South Today showed a couple of photographs from the bridge.  There was also a quote that an engineer could get his arm into the cracks.

Engineers really will put their arms into anything.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 00:15, 7th April 2023
 
In this piece from the Oxford Mail on Tuesday, the story is by now familiar...
The bridge was closed throughout yesterday (April 3) due to emergency repairs to a bridge.

Safety concerns were raised after monitoring equipment detected increasingly significant movements of the Nuneham Viaduct, which crosses the River Thames between Culham and Radley.

This is despite Network Rail doing stabilising works in recent weeks.

Detailed inspections of the bridge are now underway.

David Davidson, Network Rail’s interim Western route director, said: “We are sorry for the disruption this has caused for passengers and advise them to continue to check before they travel.

“Safety is our top priority and our engineers our now working round the clock to identify what can be done to make this viaduct safe for passenger and freight trains to run again.
“We are disappointed that the work we’ve done so far hasn’t been successful and our efforts haven’t been helped by the wettest March in over 30 years. 
“We will continue to provide updates as we work to reopen the line as quickly and as safely as possible.”

... but the picture from that angle shows some new elements. You can only see the top of the wing wall on the right, which has come away, but on the left you can see how badly cracked that one is lower down. Also, the river wall has been sinking, though more so on the left, and it has cracked.

This is another foreshortened view, making angles and depths hard to judge. For example, that signal is actually beyond the far track, and more than one bridge span from the end of the bridge.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:03, 7th April 2023
 
Here are a couple of pictures of the damage - that's some serious structural damage by the looks of it!

I note this update too - Due to urgent repairs to a bridge between Didcot Parkway and Oxford the line is closed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 30/04/23.


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Electric train at 08:27, 7th April 2023
 
Looks to me that it had the 1909 bridge support, the blue engineering bricks, built on top of the original 1843 brickwork.  It looks like at some stage in the past its had a concrete added as foundation repair.   The Victorian engineers did use wooden piles to build structures on, wonder if this is the case here the wooden piles have failed 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ellendune at 08:37, 7th April 2023
 
Looks to me that it had the 1909 bridge support, the blue engineering bricks, built on top of the original 1843 brickwork.  It looks like at some stage in the past its had a concrete added as foundation repair.   The Victorian engineers did use wooden piles to build structures on, wonder if this is the case here the wooden piles have failed 

It does look like pile failure. I am not sure how they are going to repair that in two or three weeks.  a temporary support in the river doesn't look easy. Perhaps new piles on either side of the abutment and a beam between?

Whatever it looks like it needs an entirely new support. 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 09:36, 7th April 2023
 
Very interesting aspiration being voiced locally that the permanent bridge should have an extra deck for walking and cycling:

https://twitter.com/LeyNathan/status/1644006919328219137

Together with the new road bridge being built over the Thames, that would make a north-south traffic-free cycle route of some 40 miles, from Witney, Woodstock and Hanborough, via Oxford, to Culham, Didcot and Wantage. Perhaps Oxfordshire County Council should start thinking now about oozegonnapayforit...

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 10:03, 7th April 2023
 
Whitchurch Bridge, which is a 44 tonnes metal decked road bridge over the Thames at Pangbourne, was reconstructed in 2014.  At the design stage it was established that the south abutment wasn’t strong enough, so a new abutment was constructed.  The geology and quality of the chalk was an issue, which may or may not be the same at Nuneham, but 3 X 900mm piles were required, sunk to a depth of 21 metres.

If new piles are required for a conventional abutment at Nuneham then the bridge deck will need to be removed to give clear vertical space for the drilling rig.  But maybe clever NR bridge engineers have another way of installing a new abutment, eg drilling piles either side of the bridge deck and then casting a beam between them, as Ellendune suggests.   


Edit to insert "metal decked".

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 10:05, 7th April 2023
 
The photo from Wikimedia has some of the same section of wall (and the same crack) but in 2018.

Mark

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rail_bridge_over_the_River_Thames,_carrying_the_Cherwell_Valley_line_07.jpg

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Electric train at 10:18, 7th April 2023
 
Very interesting aspiration being voiced locally that the permanent bridge should have an extra deck for walking and cycling:

https://twitter.com/LeyNathan/status/1644006919328219137

Together with the new road bridge being built over the Thames, that would make a north-south traffic-free cycle route of some 40 miles, from Witney, Woodstock and Hanborough, via Oxford, to Culham, Didcot and Wantage. Perhaps Oxfordshire County Council should start thinking now about oozegonnapayforit...

I like the way that a Clr makes demands
If we are getting a longer delay, the new permanent structure MUST have walking/cycling provision ...........
 and not the County Council must work with Network Rail to ensure provision is made in any new works for ...........

I suspect that NR will have with the cooperation of the Environment Agency temporary steel work erected to support the Southern end of the bridge to allow trains to run albeit at 5mph over the bridge to allow a permanent piled solution.  

One thing which has not been made known have the bridge spans at their end of life or do they have another 25, 50, 100 years life?  Even if they are nearing their end of life replacing them I would suggest will be not for 4 or 5 years just to get the designs, manufacture etc done

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 11:32, 7th April 2023
 
[…]
If new piles are required for a conventional abutment at Nuneham then the bridge deck will need to be removed to give clear vertical space for the drilling rig.  But maybe clever NR bridge engineers have another way of installing a new abutment, eg drilling piles either side of the bridge deck and then casting a beam between them, as Ellendune suggests.   

There’s an example of rebuilt abutments at Ludlow, details in the linked article below, where they apparently piled outside and around the plan of the existing piers, the river span was also made slightly smaller:

https://www.apbgroup.co.uk/project/rail-bridge-replacement-river-teme-ludlow-1417/

For some reason though, I’d assume that for this sort of location, (Nuneham), local planners will be screaming about the replacement having to be identical to the existing…

Paul

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by CyclingSid at 17:06, 7th April 2023
 
Some thoughts from MarkA posts
and last year, unusual heat
earlier it was said that the geology was London Clay (?, but certainly clay). The British Geological Survey Regional Geology; London and Thames valley says, in relation to shrink swell effects of clay:

"Widespread structural damage from these causes occurred following the drought in the summer of 1976"

Somebody with civils experience will be able to say if this has any relevance to a river situation after the 2022 drought. (shoot me down if needed)

A quote from the Twitter feed:

have a designated safe cycling route from Didcot to Oxford?

presumably not happy with the Hanson Way from Didcot to Oxford, or thinks us cyclists need a two-lane tarmaced highway.


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ellendune at 18:05, 7th April 2023
 
Some thoughts from MarkA posts
and last year, unusual heat
earlier it was said that the geology was London Clay (?, but certainly clay). The British Geological Survey Regional Geology; London and Thames valley says, in relation to shrink swell effects of clay:

"Widespread structural damage from these causes occurred following the drought in the summer of 1976"

Somebody with civils experience will be able to say if this has any relevance to a river situation after the 2022 drought. (shoot me down if needed)

Ok I am a Civil Engineer - but not a geotechnical specialist. 

For the clay to shrink the clay the water content of the clay must reduce significantly. Given its proximity to the river - and assuming the abutment is founded below the river level - then unless the Thames had actually dried up during the summer (I think I would have heard if it had) then shrink swell is not going to be the issue here.

However, river valleys are complex things and I know there are worked gravel deposits nearby, so I looked at the 1:50,000 BGS maps on-line. By the river the Gault Clays are overlaid by Alluvium which can mean a whole mixture of things as the BGS says. 

Alluvium is a general term for clay, silt, sand and gravel. It is the unconsolidated detrital material deposited by a river, stream or other body of running water as a sorted or semi-sorted sediment in the bed of the stream or on its floodplain or delta, or as a cone or fan at the base of a mountain slope. Synonym: alluvial deposits. Normally soft to firm consolidated, compressible silty clay, but can contain layers of silt, sand, peat and basal gravel. A stronger, desiccated surface zone may be present.

In short without borehole data I would not like to make a judgement about what is going on in the superficial layers (which might go quite deep). 

I would hope the abutments are funded on piles down into the bedrock Gault clay (who knows) but if they were timber piles they might be failing.


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 18:31, 7th April 2023
 
All of this is very confusing for JourneyCheck.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ChrisB at 18:36, 7th April 2023
 
Paul Cicton has posted a track-level photo. Too hard to extract on iphone, but here’s the link to his tweet

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1644354152779198464?s=46&t=ygkNhLNzEU-LHuFemK3xJA

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 19:02, 7th April 2023
 
An informative short discussion and a couple of images from 11 months back here on Linkedin (which will try and persuade the visitor to create an account/log in etc...) & kindly flagged by Hamish Harvey on Twitter.

Some evidence that the bridge deck is/was managing to push the tops of the wing walls out - and then also the wing walls showing signs that the pier was sinking/moving.

Mark

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/simon-deakin-woods-718aa2107_xeiad-networkrail-isar3-activity-6934582807071506432-dl3M/

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:34, 8th April 2023
 
An informative short discussion and a couple of images from 11 months back here on Linkedin (which will try and persuade the visitor to create an account/log in etc...) & kindly flagged by Hamish Harvey on Twitter.

Some evidence that the bridge deck is/was managing to push the tops of the wing walls out - and then also the wing walls showing signs that the pier was sinking/moving.

Mark

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/simon-deakin-woods-718aa2107_xeiad-networkrail-isar3-activity-6934582807071506432-dl3M/

Does rather beg the question - how on Earth did Network Rail allow it to get into this state before action was taken given that the damage had already been noted and these pictures are almost a year old and even then showed some pretty dramatic issues?

I also saw Paul Clifton's pictures on Twitter - most alarming.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:45, 8th April 2023
 
In short without borehole data I would not like to make a judgement about what is going on in the superficial layers (which might go quite deep). 

I am a geologist, and I agree with you.

I too suspect the failure of wooden piles to account for the recent rapid movement.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Electric train at 09:54, 8th April 2023
 
An informative short discussion and a couple of images from 11 months back here on Linkedin (which will try and persuade the visitor to create an account/log in etc...) & kindly flagged by Hamish Harvey on Twitter.

Some evidence that the bridge deck is/was managing to push the tops of the wing walls out - and then also the wing walls showing signs that the pier was sinking/moving.

Mark

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/simon-deakin-woods-718aa2107_xeiad-networkrail-isar3-activity-6934582807071506432-dl3M/

Does rather beg the question - how on Earth did Network Rail allow it to get into this state before action was taken given that the damage had already been noted and these pictures are almost a year old and even then showed some pretty dramatic issues?

I also saw Paul Clifton's pictures on Twitter - most alarming.

I am absolutely certain Network Rail Wales and Western Region Structures Asset Management team had a plan.  It is entirely plausible the subsidence has accelerated faster than they anticipated, yes the state of this abutment has been known about, there are quite a number of things that perhaps needed to be resoulved, like Environment Agency approvals for river access, land owner access (for site access) railway possessions / blockades; not to mention the design of the solution.  

NR Assets teams are not large in numbers of people, they are reliant on contractors who are managed by the Capital or Works Delivery organisations.  It could be argued why NR does not have own in-house expertise to do all this, its down to how the railways were privatised and the governance placed on it by the DfT and ORR
    

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:16, 8th April 2023
 
As discussed elsewhere there are other (probably many other) structures that appear long overdue for maintenance. I wouldn’t want the job of trying to guess which one was going to cause problems next…

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:33, 8th April 2023
 
As discussed elsewhere there are other (probably many other) structures that appear long overdue for maintenance. I wouldn’t want the job of trying to guess which one was going to cause problems next…

Quote from a driver (with respect to Paul Clifton's pictures) "it’s looked pretty much like that for the last few months, with a steadily reducing speed restriction (90-50-20-5)"

Here's the view from space............

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:04, 8th April 2023
 
Here's the view from space............

I think somebody has attached a comedy ‘hall of mirrors’ lens to that camera.

This is what it looked like three weeks ago without distortion from above or foreshortening from a telephoto lens.  Rather less dramatic.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 11:10, 8th April 2023
 
For the record, JourneyCheck has added a week since I last looked ...
Due to urgent repairs to a bridge between Didcot Parkway and Oxford the line is closed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 30/04/23.
but still misses the extra text on the end "and probably for some time beyond".

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by paul7575 at 18:22, 8th April 2023
 
There’s an Environment Agency closure notice for the southern span, lasts for a month, it mentions a pontoon will be present under the bridge, navigation limited to the northern span:

This restriction is for initial works to be taken under the south railway arch prior to further bridge repairs, during the overall repair of the bridge abutment.

During this time there will be a restricted river under the southern arch of the railway bridge. Caution is to be taken by boat masters when travelling via northern arch route, as this will be two-way traffic, and masters must take note of any instructions given by staff as to navigation past this point.

A pontoon will be moved into position to enable works to be taken from beneath the railway bridge in the channel. This will completely obstruct the southern arch during works. Subsequently the pontoon will be removed to a safe mooring when work is finished.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nuneham-railway-viaduct-repairs-2023-river-restriction-notice/nuneham-railway-viaduct-repairs-2023-river-restriction-notice


Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 18:49, 8th April 2023
 
This is what it looked like three weeks ago without distortion from above or foreshortening from a telephoto lens.  Rather less dramatic.

That depends what you were looking for. In terms of estimating the vertical movement since (1) the bridge was built and (2) whenever the track was last levelled, there is not so much difference. I make the first answer about half a metre, and the second at least 10 cm (but neither is meant to be closer than +/- 30% at best).

Presumably Simon Deakin-Woods' picture, of 10 months ago, was before that last visit from a stone-blower, and I'll be returning to what that shows shortly.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 19:46, 8th April 2023
 
This picture was in the Oxford Mail, but credited to Network Rail.


It shows two "long-range stone-suckers", and the pipes lead to one of those vacuum excavation trucks. Deballasting isn't really evidence of what the planned work is, as it's the first step in most possible plans.

There's another picture of just to the right of that, in railforums, that can be compared with the one we had from Linked-In.

You can't see much of the wing wall (shown by the BBC or in post #63), but you can see a steep slope down in the top of the embankment. The abutment's movement has led to shear strain in the soil over about three metres.

One the right, the "bearing" block sits on the abutment wall, while at the other side there is a column of brickwork so the bearing sits forward of the wall. That must be to do with the skew of the bridge; my guess is that the abutment wall turned out to be not parallel to the mid-river pier, and this gets over that problem. The size of that column does suggest that supporting the weight of the bridge was not a big deal, for the 1906 designers.

The left wing wall has failed in shear, but the vertical movement across it is less than two courses (20 cm) so well short of the full distance. But a lot of the outer half has been patched or even rebuilt. So I wonder if that got so bad that major reconstruction was needed, and more than once. When the brickwork is intact, with good strong mortar and engineering bricks, it can provide significant support to the abutment. Once it fails it can't, so that may be one reason for the "sudden" burst of subsidence recently.

If flooding is relevant, then like ellendune I don't see how that can have much impact under the abutment (and below the water table). Surely it is the embankment that is likely to be destabilised most by a thorough soaking. And it does take significant shear stress to produce the observed shear strain in settled soil, which is another upward supporting force for the abutment. Soggy soil is more mobile, so a lot of the supporting force disappears. In combination, the total reduction in upward force could explain the extra and rapid subsidence recently.

Incidentally, what looks like horizontal shear between the brick courses isn't due to any extra cause, it's just how shear works. The internal bricks feel much the same forces whether the shear is applied to the sides or the top and bottom. There's a more complicated, and rigorous, explanation of all this but it means resorting to tensors ...

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:00, 8th April 2023
 
At least with bricks, it is simple shear 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 15:48, 10th April 2023
 
The Independent

Engineers have spent the weekend examining the structure and, on Easter Monday morning, Network Rail announced: “Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Wednesday 31 May.”

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by stuving at 16:21, 10th April 2023
 
The Independent

Engineers have spent the weekend examining the structure and, on Easter Monday morning, Network Rail announced: “Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Wednesday 31 May.”

The Independent seems to have misunderstood what "a lot of movement" in the bridge means:
Main rail line to close until June due to a wobbly bridge

Passengers between the north of England and the South Coast are being advised to travel via Bristol or London instead

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TonyN at 17:38, 10th April 2023
 
National Rail Enquires now saying 9th June.

Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Friday 9 June.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by bobm at 20:11, 10th April 2023
 
National Rail Enquires now saying 9th June.

Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Friday 9 June.

Only a matter of time before some “clever” journalist works out that covers Easter, the May Day bank holiday, the Coronation weekend and the late Spring bank holiday.   

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:29, 10th April 2023
 
National Rail Enquires now saying 9th June.

Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Friday 9 June.

Only a matter of time before some “clever” journalist works out that covers Easter, the May Day bank holiday, the Coronation weekend and the late Spring bank holiday.   

I am sure that even now (if not already!) GWR & NR are creating imaginative contingency plans.......particularly for the Coronation weekend......

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by froome at 09:27, 11th April 2023
 
The Independent

Engineers have spent the weekend examining the structure and, on Easter Monday morning, Network Rail announced: “Disruption between Reading and Oxford is expected until at least the end of the day on Wednesday 31 May.”

The Independent seems to have misunderstood what "a lot of movement" in the bridge means:
Main rail line to close until June due to a wobbly bridge

Passengers between the north of England and the South Coast are being advised to travel via Bristol or London instead

Given how long this line is going to be closed, surely it would be better to add some extra services from Southampton travelling up via the Trans Wilts line to Swindon and then along the line to Cheltenham. Expecting people to divert a long way west or east to Bristol and London, where there are huge numbers of travellers and very complex movements, is a recipe for ensuring they don't ever travel by train again.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by grahame at 09:59, 11th April 2023
 
Given how long this line is going to be closed, surely it would be better to add some extra services from Southampton travelling up via the Trans Wilts line to Swindon and then along the line to Cheltenham. Expecting people to divert a long way west or east to Bristol and London, where there are huge numbers of travellers and very complex movements, is a recipe for ensuring they don't ever travel by train again.

I know I'm a great supporter of using the TransWilts for diversions, but can I please promote ... Stations from Bournemouth to Reading as "normal" then Didcot, Swindon, Cheltenham Spa, Worcestershire Parkway, before resuming regular route at Birmingham New Street.    Or as an alternative - Reading, then via South Greenford to Banbury where normal route is resumed?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by Mark A at 10:16, 11th April 2023
 
In an article released today, the New Civil Engineer web site no less... (may or may not paywall itself) gives a very optimistic date to reopen as 'The end of April'... that's certainly 'by june the ninth' but I'm not sure that's what Network Rail meant in their own statement on the opening date at the weekend.

Mark

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/reopening-hopes-for-safety-concern-nuneham-viaduct-shift-to-end-of-april-as-investigations-continue-11-04-2023/

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by TonyN at 17:39, 11th April 2023
 
Graham's suggestion

Stations from Bournemouth to Reading as "normal" then Didcot, Swindon, Cheltenham Spa, Worcestershire Parkway, before resuming regular route at Birmingham New Street.

Sounds a a lot better than National Rail Enquires suggestion.

Customers travelling between Worcestershire Parkway / Pershore / Evesham and London should consider travelling via Bristol Parkway or Birmingham.

Normally if I leave Pershore at 07:44 I would get to Paddington at around 09:50

National Rail Enquires tells me that leaving after 07:00 the best I can do via Bristol Parkway is:

08:48    Pershore [PSH] - Worcestershire Parkway [WOP] 08:53 0h 05m

08:58    Worcestershire Parkway [WOP] - Cheltenham Spa [CNM] 09:14 0h 16m
   
09:32    Cheltenham Spa [CNM] - Bristol Parkway [BPW] 10:00 0h 28m
   
10:24    Bristol Parkway [BPW]- London Paddington [PAD] 11:44 1h 20m

So nearly 2 Hours later.

Via New Street to Euston is a bit better.

08:03    Pershore [PSH]- Worcestershire Parkway [WOP]08:08 0h 05m    

08:14    Worcestershire Parkway [WOP]- Birmingham New Street [BHM]08:45 0h 31m    

09:17    Birmingham New Street [BHM]- London Euston [EUS] 10:54 1h 37m

Only one hour late.

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by eightonedee at 18:48, 11th April 2023
 
I know it is easy for us armchair railway controllers to make suggestions without knowledge of all the relevant factors, but wouldn't it be better to introduce an emergency timetable, combining the Swindon (or Paddington) - Cheltenham and Cheltenham - Worcester and beyond services instead?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ChrisB at 18:55, 11th April 2023
 
GWR are saying that planners can only be updated to this Friday currently & the fault is being worked on.

As are services & timetables beyond Friday. It’s still a liquid situation. How about cutting the poor train planners a tad of slack?

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by IndustryInsider at 21:04, 11th April 2023
 
CrossCountry seem to have decided that it’s best to halve the service northbound from Oxford, where they are currently starting of course, to once every two hours. 

Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Posted by ChrisB at 21:25, 11th April 2023
 
In order to connect with the service up from the South Coast that tuns to Didcot. By the tie the RRS reaches Oxford, the northbound leaves.

 
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