| Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Electric train at 20:42, 15th November 2018 |     |
The 7th / 8th December will see GWR closing Old Oak Common TMD. This once mighty depot has seen a progressive closure and demolition over the recent years.
There is however the Elizabeth Line Train Care Facility and on the other side of the main line North Pole, so there is still maintenance and operations life left on the site; however for many like myself that have worked at the Oak the final closure of the HST Shed and the withdrawal of main line maintenance as being as sad day. I can remember working in the new HST Shed in 1976 as an apprentice a vastly different working environment to the Factory
Old Oak Common (81A) 17 March 1906 - 7 December 2018 you have the served the railway well
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by bobm at 20:51, 15th November 2018 | |
I still miss the iconic sight of the Old Oak Common signalbox as you passed the depot.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by REVUpminster at 22:07, 15th November 2018 | |
Does this mean the 1733 Paignton and 1803 Penzance will finally be IET. They seem very wary of using IET's on these two services.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Robin Summerhill at 23:29, 15th November 2018 | |
I can remember working in the new HST Shed in 1976 as an apprentice a vastly different working environment to the Factory
I can remember "bunking" it as a kid in 1963 when there were still Castles, Counties and Halls in the roundhouse...
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Adelante_CCT at 12:58, 16th November 2018 | |
Does this mean the 1733 Paignton and 1803 Penzance will finally be IET. They seem very wary of using IET's on these two services.
Not necessarily, as these two services end the day away from London, so could be candidates for HST running until they are all withdrawn next year
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 13:33, 16th November 2018 | |
I still miss the iconic sight of the Old Oak Common signalbox as you passed the depot.
Seem to remember the Old Oak Panel Box closed in 1993 As Paddington was resignalled to the then Slough new box,until that went also.Hence the reason for
signals starting with SN1 SN3 SN5 And so on.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by REVUpminster at 14:13, 16th November 2018 | |
Does this mean the 1733 Paignton and 1803 Penzance will finally be IET. They seem very wary of using IET's on these two services.
Not necessarily, as these two services end the day away from London, so could be candidates for HST running until they are all withdrawn next year
I don't where to look for the diagrams but I am sure the 17.33 Paignton comes out of Old Oak Common works passenger London-Paignton-Newton Abbot then empty to Laira
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:16, 16th November 2018 | |
Tonight the 1733 (1C91) has 8 coaches. That means it must be a HST.
The 1803 (1C92) came off Old Oak Common, so that too points to it being a HST. Although anyone fancying a Friday night dinner would have been disappointed. No Pullman service on it tonight.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Electric train at 19:43, 16th November 2018 | |
I still miss the iconic sight of the Old Oak Common signalbox as you passed the depot.
Seem to remember the Old Oak Panel Box closed in 1993 As Paddington was resignalled to the then Slough new box,until that went also.Hence the reason for
signals starting with SN1 SN3 SN5 And so on.
That was Old Oak Common Panel Signal Box, bobm may have been refereeing to Old Oak Common Yard Signal Box with is access bridge off of the Grand Union Canal towpath.
The OOC Panel Box was the first of its kind.
Its is highly unlikely HST will go into North Pole as that is Hitachie and not GWR; also its is not configured to service HSTs
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by grahame at 20:33, 16th November 2018 | |
Its is highly unlikely HST will go into North Pole as that is Hitachie and not GWR; also its is not configured to service HSTs
Out to Reading, I believe. Have I heard something about the noise issues they're causing there when ticking over, or was I imagining that? Sounds like Reading has been set up to take HSTs only for a relatively short period - doesn't sound like that's an efficient way to spend money - perhaps the result of having to deal with a slippage in one schedule or another.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by eightonedee at 21:39, 16th November 2018 | |
Out to Reading, I believe.
HSTs as well? Reading's "shed" will have Electrostars, Turbos, the Night Riveria stock, and an old fashioned shunter as well. The town's depot will not have seen such variety since the old shed hosted everything from 14xxs to Castles!
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Adelante_CCT at 09:10, 17th November 2018 | |
The odd HST has been parking up here at Reading TCD during the day, and it was used by quite a few HSTs a Christmas or two ago when Paddington was closed.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 17:01, 5th December 2018 | |
The final HST ECS movement from Old Oak Common is this Saturday, 8th December 2018. Subject to the usual operational caveats of course.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 12:28, 6th December 2018 | |
The final HST ECS movement from Old Oak Common is this Saturday, 8th December 2018. Subject to the usual operational caveats of course.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
What is going to happen to the site, Is it to be new sidings.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Rob on the hill at 17:31, 6th December 2018 | |
The final HST ECS movement from Old Oak Common is this Saturday, 8th December 2018. Subject to the usual operational caveats of course.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
From the OOC Facebook page:
Many thanks to our planners and Network Rail, there has been a platform alteration following our request for the last HST from 81A Old Oak Common Saturday 8th December 5C24 16+45 to now arrive 17+04 into Paddington Platform 1.
That is the plan, but is all subject to change depending on what happens on the day
That is the plan, but is all subject to change depending on what happens on the day
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Electric train at 20:55, 6th December 2018 | |
The final HST ECS movement from Old Oak Common is this Saturday, 8th December 2018. Subject to the usual operational caveats of course.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
5C24 1645 Old Oak Common - London Paddington 1705
1C24 1730 London Paddington - Weston-super-Mare 1950
End of an era.
What is going to happen to the site, Is it to be new sidings.
The Northen part, that is where the "Factory", turntable (former round house site), "Pullman Shop" and Corrination Sidings are ocupied by the new Elizebeth Line train care facility, this is the principle depot for the Elizebeth Line.
The Southern part, that is the caridge sheds, HST depot and eventually the Siemans HEX depot will be demolished to make way for the HS2 Old Oak Common Station.
on the South side of the mainline, North Pole is the Hitachie depote for the IEP class 800's
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by SandTEngineer at 17:46, 8th December 2018 | |
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| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Adelante_CCT at 19:08, 8th December 2018 | |
I think your attached picture is only available to wnxx members
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:16, 8th December 2018 | |
Yes, end of an era. Farewell 81A, Old Oak Common HST Depot. A nice touch from the Thames Valley Signalling Centre, also seen on Tracksy.
A couple of videos of the final HST off of 81A, Old Oak Common:
Videos courtesy of forum member James Vertigan.
The leading power car for the 1730 to Weston-super-Mare was, appropriately, 43093 with its 'Legends of the Great Western' livery and its 'Old Oak Common HST Depot 1976-2018' nameplate. Added to these at the rear of the power car was the depot's oak tree and crest logo with the legend 'Old Oak Common - History Makers' surrounding the logo, along with the sub line 'Last HST off Old Oak Common Depot 8th December 2018'.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:35, 8th December 2018 | |
To add to the above.
Those with access to Facebook can see some professional photos on Old Oak Common's page. The final train on shed, the depot staff, the gatherings on platform 1 at Paddington and the headboard plate.
https://www.facebook.com/260051724424124/posts/577439409352019/
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 20:04, 8th December 2018 | |
Yes, end of an era. Farewell 81A, Old Oak Common HST Depot. A nice touch from the Thames Valley Signalling Centre, also seen on Tracksy.
A couple of videos of the final HST off of 81A, Old Oak Common:
Videos courtesy of forum member James Vertigan.
The leading power car for the 1730 to Weston-super-Mare was, appropriately, 43093 with its 'Legends of the Great Western' livery and its 'Old Oak Common HST Depot 1976-2018' nameplate. Added to these at the rear of the power car was the depot's oak tree and crest logo with the legend 'Old Oak Common - History Makers' surrounding the logo, along with the sub line 'Last HST off Old Oak Common Depot 8th December 2018'.
A couple of videos of the final HST off of 81A, Old Oak Common:
Videos courtesy of forum member James Vertigan.
The leading power car for the 1730 to Weston-super-Mare was, appropriately, 43093 with its 'Legends of the Great Western' livery and its 'Old Oak Common HST Depot 1976-2018' nameplate. Added to these at the rear of the power car was the depot's oak tree and crest logo with the legend 'Old Oak Common - History Makers' surrounding the logo, along with the sub line 'Last HST off Old Oak Common Depot 8th December 2018'.
Also shows on opentraintimes, although the layout looks a bit different.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by SandTEngineer at 20:21, 8th December 2018 | |
The line with the TD berth showing 'GOOD' remains in the final layout as its the emergency escape route from the new CROSSRAIL depot.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 20:25, 8th December 2018 | |
The line with the TD berth showing 'GOOD' remains in the final layout as its the emergency escape route from the new CROSSRAIL depot.
So ground signal SN6092 will stay then.
Have you got a plan drawn?.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by SandTEngineer at 21:35, 8th December 2018 | |
I could produce a diagram but it would be pretty big to add on here, so shan't do so.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by johnneyw at 21:37, 8th December 2018 | |
End of an era...
Sad day but at least the site keeps a railway future, a very different one but so much more than for many other old depots.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by grahame at 04:49, 9th December 2018 | |
I could produce a diagram but it would be pretty big to add on here, so shan't do so.
Comment noted and understood - and these things take so much time too. I could almost certainly provide a one off solution to getting something "pretty big" available here such as hosting it on a link , if that's the only thing holding you back.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 11:46, 9th December 2018 | |
I could produce a diagram but it would be pretty big to add on here, so shan't do so.
Sad, what a shame.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 11:49, 9th December 2018 | |
End of an era...
Sad day but at least the site keeps a railway future, a very different one but so much more than for many other old depots.
Well at least the site isn't going to become another Sainsburys
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JontyMort at 14:51, 9th December 2018 | |
End of an era...
Sad day but at least the site keeps a railway future, a very different one but so much more than for many other old depots.
Well at least the site isn't going to become another Sainsburys
It's becoming a New North Main Line in fact.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by bobm at 09:34, 10th December 2018 | |
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by W5tRailfinder at 14:29, 12th December 2018 | |
With regards to the track layout, if you look at Google Earth satellite image you can clearly see what the Crossrail depot track layout is. This image must have been from about July 2018.
The berths and position lights on the signalling maps do not correlate with what is physically on the ground.
The track layout shown on Traksy is wrong between Ladbroke Grove and Old Oak Common, whereas the Open Train Times layout is correct. The only error I can see on the OTT Paddington map is at Royal Oak, where signal-berths 52 and 54 are the wrong way round and the crossover into line 1 is in the wrong place - it should connect prior to signal 026 and not after (Traksy is right on this).
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Electric train at 18:05, 12th December 2018 | |
Images of how HS2 are progressing, also what the site will eventually look like, think it has been posted before, https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/projects/project-reports/hs2s-old-oak-common-station-how-to-build-a-mega-project/10038107.article?fbclid=IwAR0wRehDHeIHiBw0nQr0WMc3Nety85f4-DYHE3bifaZ0Ynw-XgAIk-GAHYw
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:14, 14th December 2018 | |
For those who use Facebook. A musical tribute to 81A Old Oak Common with some excellent footage of the depot, staff and the final HST.
https://www.facebook.com/260051724424124/posts/580636429032317/
Edit: YouTube link removed at the request of copyright holder.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by a-driver at 20:35, 14th December 2018 | |
A musical tribute to 81A Old Oak Common with some excellent footage of the depot, staff and the final HST.
Credit: Richard Knight.
Credit: Richard Knight.
Absolutely top notch. The video just goes to show, for all of us who have worked at Old Oak, it was more than just a place of work. I miss that place, always will do
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by Dispatch Box at 13:35, 16th December 2018 | |
A musical tribute to 81A Old Oak Common with some excellent footage of the depot, staff and the final HST.
Credit: Richard Knight.
Credit: Richard Knight.
Absolutely top notch. The video just goes to show, for all of us who have worked at Old Oak, it was more than just a place of work. I miss that place, always will do
This is rubbish, it showed unavailable, clicking on the button, just gave me a video of hs2. Buildings coming down.
Now working.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by grahame at 14:14, 16th December 2018 | |
This is rubbish, it showed unavailable, clicking on the button, just gave me a video of hs2. Buildings coming down.
Take a look up thread - there's a link to the video and an explanation of why it's been changed.
One of the issues of any web site, including this forum, that links to outside resources is that the outside resources cease to be available. It's a risk people who post take, and I'm delighted that they do - otherwise our forum would be all the much the poorer. A "thank you" to original posters where, as in the case of this thread, they have explained the change and done their best to ensure the resource can still be reached via the forum, even if it's no longer a direct link.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by REVUpminster at 17:05, 17th December 2018 | |
Since the closure of Old Oak the HST are coming from Reading train care depot and timetabled about an hour to get to Paddington. This seems incredibly inefficient. Does a special crew bring it to Paddington and then changed to the regular crew for the passenger part. One of the trains I watch is IC91 which is now empty Reading- Paddington-Paignton-Newton Abbot-empty Laira.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by martyjon at 17:44, 17th December 2018 | |
Since the closure of Old Oak the HST are coming from Reading train care depot and timetabled about an hour to get to Paddington. This seems incredibly inefficient. Does a special crew bring it to Paddington and then changed to the regular crew for the passenger part. One of the trains I watch is IC91 which is now empty Reading- Paddington-Paignton-Newton Abbot-empty Laira.
I would have thought GWR would run these in passenger use if they are run in the morning/evening peaks to relieve overcrowding and reduce 'dead mileage'.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by grahame at 17:50, 17th December 2018 | |
Since the closure of Old Oak the HST are coming from Reading train care depot and timetabled about an hour to get to Paddington. This seems incredibly inefficient. Does a special crew bring it to Paddington and then changed to the regular crew for the passenger part. One of the trains I watch is IC91 which is now empty Reading- Paddington-Paignton-Newton Abbot-empty Laira.
I would have thought GWR would run these in passenger use if they are run in the morning/evening peaks to relieve overcrowding and reduce 'dead mileage'.
I would suspect they're running in the wrong direction - out of London to Reading towards the end of the morning peak, and back into London late in the afternoon.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:03, 17th December 2018 | |
And you’d need to roster a Train Manager, and it’s only going to be happening for a short period of time anyway.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:10, 17th December 2018 | |
And there is only one HST set on weekdays rostered to have a late lunch at Reading TCD.
1A72 05.53 Plymouth - Paddington
1D20 09.50 Paddington - Oxford
1P26 12.01 Oxford - Paddington
(ECS 5P26 1317 Paddington to Reading TCD)
(ECS 3C91 1607 Reading TCD - Paddington)
1C91 17.33 Paddington - Paignton
2A65 21.35 Paignton - Newton Abbot
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by REVUpminster at 19:25, 17th December 2018 | |
Looking today 1D91 (Didcot) definitely came from reading as well as 5D91 and 1C91 (Paignton) came as 3C91 from reading I presume.
I've noticed before when 1C91 has come early as 5C91 and waits for time in Royal Oak sidings.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 19:44, 17th December 2018 | |
Looking today 1D91 (Didcot) definitely came from reading as well as 5D91
Was that a HST today? Pathed as an EMU.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by stuving at 19:46, 17th December 2018 | |
Looking today 1D91 (Didcot) definitely came from reading as well as 5D91 and 1C91 (Paignton) came as 3C91 from reading I presume.
I've noticed before when 1C91 has come early as 5C91 and waits for time in Royal Oak sidings.
I've noticed before when 1C91 has come early as 5C91 and waits for time in Royal Oak sidings.
But 1D91 is an EMU (387).
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by REVUpminster at 21:38, 17th December 2018 | |
According to opentrains it was running late into platform 1 and reversed out within 5 minutes to Didcot. I do not know what stock it was.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by JayMac at 11:45, 20th December 2018 | |
The video I had to remove from YouTube now has an official upload.
| Re: Closure of Old Oak Common (81A) December 2018 Posted by TonyK at 17:36, 20th December 2018 | |
Very nice, and an appropriate song for the occasion. I hope they asked Universal Music Publishing Group, Warner/Chappell Music, Inc, Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd, who hold the copyright.
